Comments on: Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:20:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: James http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83671 James Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:20:32 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83671 Wow, what an extraordinarily uncritical assessment of PASOK. My insider info from the Greek left is that there's a pretty high level of disappointment, not least from Papandreou's failure to scrap conscription. He's talking about peace, but not making the one key step towards it that he promised. They're in because Nea Demokratia had floundered into violence and corruption, not because people are enthusiastic about a third-generation Prime Minister. Wow, what an extraordinarily uncritical assessment of PASOK. My insider info from the Greek left is that there’s a pretty high level of disappointment, not least from Papandreou’s failure to scrap conscription. He’s talking about peace, but not making the one key step towards it that he promised.

They’re in because Nea Demokratia had floundered into violence and corruption, not because people are enthusiastic about a third-generation Prime Minister.

]]> By: Trofim http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83538 Trofim Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:21:26 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83538 I see this site doesn't do Cyrillic, and The Part should read The Party I see this site doesn’t do Cyrillic, and The Part should read
The Party

]]> By: Trofim http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83525 Trofim Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:50:32 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83525 Trust the citizenry! Good God! Whatever next! Democracy? Pandering to populism? Whenever I read all the theoreticians on LC, or any similar leftish blog, I am reminded of that scene in Remains of the Day, where Lord Halifax, or similar, the Nazi sympathiser, grills the butler about important politic principles, demonstrating at the end of it that the ordinary people are simply not sophisticated enough to be entrusted with a part in governing the country. The same principle was pithily manifested in the ubiquitous Soviet slogan: ?????? - ???????? ??????! - The Part is the Vanguard of the People! (The people aren't too bright - the party had best make decisions on their behalf). A sort of paternalistic oligarchy, essentially. It has its merits, as long as the rulers are honest about it, and acknowledge that they are governing in what they believe to be the interests of the people. Trouble is, the interests of the people aren't necessarily the interests of the other several million life forms on the planet. Trust the citizenry! Good God! Whatever next! Democracy?
Pandering to populism? Whenever I read all the theoreticians on
LC, or any similar leftish blog, I am reminded of that scene
in Remains of the Day, where Lord Halifax, or similar, the Nazi
sympathiser, grills the butler about important politic
principles, demonstrating at the end of it that the ordinary
people are simply not sophisticated enough to be entrusted with a
part in governing the country. The same principle was pithily
manifested in the ubiquitous Soviet slogan: ?????? – ????????
??????! – The Part is the Vanguard of the People! (The people
aren’t too bright – the party had best make decisions on their
behalf). A sort of paternalistic oligarchy, essentially. It has
its merits, as long as the rulers are honest about it, and
acknowledge that they are governing in what they believe to be
the interests of the people.
Trouble is, the interests of the people aren’t necessarily the interests of the other several million life forms on the planet.

]]> By: dreamingspire http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83503 dreamingspire Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:33:59 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83503 Its the Third Way! It needs the politicians of the Left to trust the citizenry. But of course we have not been citizens for long - used to be subjects. Its the Third Way! It needs the politicians of the Left to trust the citizenry. But of course we have not been citizens for long – used to be subjects.

]]> By: Algy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83520 Algy Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:13:08 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83520 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Liberal Conspiracy » Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/1a9dm7</span></span> Liberal Conspiracy » Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/1a9dm7

]]> By: Robin Green http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83490 Robin Green Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:37:55 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83490 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @libcon: :: Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/5wbmJ</span></span> RT @libcon: :: Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/5wbmJ

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/14/can-greeks-lead-the-way-for-the-left/#comment-83484 Liberal Conspiracy Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:35:16 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=9144#comment-83484 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">:: Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/5wbmJ</span></span> :: Can Greeks lead the way for the left? http://bit.ly/5wbmJ

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