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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year</title>
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		<title>By: faithhopelove</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-83405</link>
		<dc:creator>faithhopelove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think things like this are so believable because when absurd logic is readily demonstrated on certain political issues (like when a politician, now President, says that he cannot comment upon when life begins because it is &quot;above (his) pay grade&quot;) then I think this throws a grave doubt upon one&#039;s intelligence and logic.   Skirting around objective truth can make a person&#039;s intelligence and logic suspect and can cause grave mistrust. There are millions of Americans who live with this daily mistrust of our current President.  To what lengths can faulty logic go???  Much too far... even so far as the possibility of messing with the name of a historically set, Christian holiday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think things like this are so believable because when absurd logic is readily demonstrated on certain political issues (like when a politician, now President, says that he cannot comment upon when life begins because it is &#8220;above (his) pay grade&#8221;) then I think this throws a grave doubt upon one&#8217;s intelligence and logic.   Skirting around objective truth can make a person&#8217;s intelligence and logic suspect and can cause grave mistrust. There are millions of Americans who live with this daily mistrust of our current President.  To what lengths can faulty logic go???  Much too far&#8230; even so far as the possibility of messing with the name of a historically set, Christian holiday.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82816</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@22 - while I think there&#039;s an element to that, there are also powerful forces in society that work against erudition, intelligence and critical thinking. Which complement the work of the media, from pseudo-scientists to right wing hatemongery, in stirring the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@22 &#8211; while I think there&#8217;s an element to that, there are also powerful forces in society that work against erudition, intelligence and critical thinking. Which complement the work of the media, from pseudo-scientists to right wing hatemongery, in stirring the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: Watchman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82692</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason people find this easy to believe is that they have not been taught to be critical thinking enough. If you oppose Obama, and haven&#039;t got enough amunition from his various policies, misteps and appaent blunders (i.e. his actually being human) you will believe anything, because you are told it and want to believe it. If something suits our prejudices and we aren&#039;t taught to think critically enough, we won&#039;t question it.

On the same basis, nice men in Nigeria offer to give us lots of money if we give them our bank details. People want to believe this, despite the fact it is clearly untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason people find this easy to believe is that they have not been taught to be critical thinking enough. If you oppose Obama, and haven&#8217;t got enough amunition from his various policies, misteps and appaent blunders (i.e. his actually being human) you will believe anything, because you are told it and want to believe it. If something suits our prejudices and we aren&#8217;t taught to think critically enough, we won&#8217;t question it.</p>
<p>On the same basis, nice men in Nigeria offer to give us lots of money if we give them our bank details. People want to believe this, despite the fact it is clearly untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82686</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christmas is a thriving commercial festival in Japan, a country in which the Christian churches have little popular influence.

It may be worth recalling here that there is no historical evidence linking the birth of Christ to the 25 December but that date is conveniently near the locus for several separate traditions of pre-Christian pagan festivals relating to the winter solstice and the Roman feast of Saturnalia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia

My guess is that the early Christian church latched on to the date of 25 December as a piece of astute marketing.

When I lived and worked in Scotland in the early 1960s, Christmas day, by tradition, was a full working day. The seasonal holiday was Hogmanay. Nowadays, the Scots make holidays of both Christmas and Hogmanay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christmas is a thriving commercial festival in Japan, a country in which the Christian churches have little popular influence.</p>
<p>It may be worth recalling here that there is no historical evidence linking the birth of Christ to the 25 December but that date is conveniently near the locus for several separate traditions of pre-Christian pagan festivals relating to the winter solstice and the Roman feast of Saturnalia:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia</a></p>
<p>My guess is that the early Christian church latched on to the date of 25 December as a piece of astute marketing.</p>
<p>When I lived and worked in Scotland in the early 1960s, Christmas day, by tradition, was a full working day. The seasonal holiday was Hogmanay. Nowadays, the Scots make holidays of both Christmas and Hogmanay.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Coxall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@15:

I&#039;m a right winger, and I know that the True Meaning of Christmas is the Doctor Who special. So there.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m a right winger, and I know that the True Meaning of Christmas is the Doctor Who special. So there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Liberal Conspiracy » Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Naadir Jeewa, Dave Semple. Dave Semple said: Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year http://bit.ly/43QZZu [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82607</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Remember, making up stories about Political Correctness Gone Mad is the True Meaning Of Christmas(tm).&lt;/i&gt;

For most right-wingers that certainly seems to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Remember, making up stories about Political Correctness Gone Mad is the True Meaning Of Christmas(tm).</i></p>
<p>For most right-wingers that certainly seems to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: DHG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DHG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see Kojak missing the point...again.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82587</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing worse than people making this up is those who, having believed such nonsense, then try to defend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing worse than people making this up is those who, having believed such nonsense, then try to defend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Weaver</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82577</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may have forgotten the outcome of the clip that you posted. 

While I agree with your thoughts on the crowd&#039;s mentality, they are actually proved correct in the end.........

This doesn&#039;t seem to prove your point very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may have forgotten the outcome of the clip that you posted. </p>
<p>While I agree with your thoughts on the crowd&#8217;s mentality, they are actually proved correct in the end&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t seem to prove your point very well.</p>
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		<title>By: DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82570</link>
		<dc:creator>DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is it that people find this rubbish so easy to believe? &quot;

Because it feeds into a predefined narrative of white/Christian victimhood.

Amusingly enough as church attendances slide and the cult of dawkins grows, this bullshit is one of the few traditions there is at Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is it that people find this rubbish so easy to believe? &#8221;</p>
<p>Because it feeds into a predefined narrative of white/Christian victimhood.</p>
<p>Amusingly enough as church attendances slide and the cult of dawkins grows, this bullshit is one of the few traditions there is at Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82561</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos it&#039;s a well known sexist loaded example?</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Coxall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82560</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8:

&quot;When did you stop beating your wife&quot; is the &lt;i&gt;canonical&lt;/i&gt; loaded question. I&#039;m surprised you&#039;ve never heard it before. I&#039;m also not sure why you consider it sexist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8:</p>
<p>&#8220;When did you stop beating your wife&#8221; is the <i>canonical</i> loaded question. I&#8217;m surprised you&#8217;ve never heard it before. I&#8217;m also not sure why you consider it sexist.</p>
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		<title>By: A week is a long time</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82556</link>
		<dc:creator>A week is a long time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - I fully understand the end result but why use such a sexist loaded question to get there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; I fully understand the end result but why use such a sexist loaded question to get there?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Coxall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82552</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3:

The informal fallacy of &lt;i&gt;plurium interrogationum&lt;/i&gt;, or in layman&#039;s terms, a loaded question.</description>
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<p>The informal fallacy of <i>plurium interrogationum</i>, or in layman&#8217;s terms, a loaded question.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Coxall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82551</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Coxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy multi-cultural non-denominational Winterval!

Remember, making up stories about Political Correctness Gone Mad is the True Meaning Of Christmas(tm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy multi-cultural non-denominational Winterval!</p>
<p>Remember, making up stories about Political Correctness Gone Mad is the True Meaning Of Christmas(tm).</p>
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		<title>By: A week is a long time</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82546</link>
		<dc:creator>A week is a long time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very tasteful...thanks for that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very tasteful&#8230;thanks for that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82541</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3

try it this way round:

&quot;have you ever been caught beating your wife?&quot;

&quot;certainly not!&quot;

&quot;ah, you must be very good at it then&quot;

etc</description>
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<p>try it this way round:</p>
<p>&#8220;have you ever been caught beating your wife?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;certainly not!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;ah, you must be very good at it then&#8221;</p>
<p>etc</p>
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		<title>By: A week is a long time</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82539</link>
		<dc:creator>A week is a long time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The facebook application amused me. Much in the way of the age old question, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”&#039;

Erm...*furrows brows*...what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The facebook application amused me. Much in the way of the age old question, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”&#8217;</p>
<p>Erm&#8230;*furrows brows*&#8230;what?</p>
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		<title>By: Kojak</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82533</link>
		<dc:creator>Kojak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve even managed to work Melanie Phillips into this article.

I think you guys must really like her as you mention her so often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve even managed to work Melanie Phillips into this article.</p>
<p>I think you guys must really like her as you mention her so often.</p>
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		<title>By: nilsinela boray</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82762</link>
		<dc:creator>nilsinela boray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/2qvUyv Enjoyed this article on Lib Con&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content"><a href="http://bit.ly/2qvUyv" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2qvUyv</a> Enjoyed this article on Lib Con</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the truth of our own home-grown winterval nonesense, this is well worth a read: http://virtualstoa.net/2008/11/25/winterval-2/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the truth of our own home-grown winterval nonesense, this is well worth a read: <a href="http://virtualstoa.net/2008/11/25/winterval-2/" rel="nofollow">http://virtualstoa.net/2008/11/25/winterval-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Naadir Jeewa</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/11/11/anti-christmas-nonsense-arrives-earlier-every-year/#comment-82613</link>
		<dc:creator>Naadir Jeewa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Reading: Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year: So apparently in the US there are circular.. http://bit.ly/4h7MVh&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Reading: Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year: So apparently in the US there are circular.. <a href="http://bit.ly/4h7MVh" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4h7MVh</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Semple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year http://bit.ly/43QZZu&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Anti-Christmas nonsense arrives earlier every year <a href="http://bit.ly/43QZZu" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/43QZZu</a></span></span></span></p>
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