As I said above, if you honestly, genuinely think that this is a winner of a strategy (and it can only be an electoral strategy as you are quite unconcerned about any links any other parties have) then by all means keep on going. My twin positions on this are:

1. No one cares about Europe. Labour said for a decade when the Tories tried to make an issue of it. They were right then; they’re right now. No one cares.

2. Parties that go on, and on and on and on, about obscure European politics look weird and obsessive. This was true when William Hague was bleating that there were “Twenty four hours to save the poooouuunnnnd” and it’s true when Miliband D waffles on about the Latvian SS (then has to apologise for it).

I would be happy to defend (again, for what the thirtieth time on Lib Con?) the formation of the ECR – but I’m BORED of it. It bores me. It bores everyone who isn’t clinically insane or Bill Cash (to come over all Mark Twain). And I’ll leave you the last word Sunny, because I cannot be arsed to go through all of this again. Nice to know that you accept the Tories as the next Govt though.

And we’re pointing out that they’re quite party political already, while attacking Miliband for doing the same. Keep up Tim J!

You guys constantly screaming hysterically that no one cares about this and that people are “obsessive” for pointing out that the next govt is tightly shacked up with a bunch of loonies from Europe is rather hilarious. But it’s fun to watch you people squirm.

Are you really suggesting that in an argument of

“You’re a racist!”
“No I’m not”
“Racist!”
“Not”
“Racist racist!”
“Not!”

That it’s the person shouting ‘not’ that’s the obsessive one?

Don’t confuse me with double negatives. They makes my head hurt.

That’s presumably why the Tories are getting so hysterical about the issue.

Does it?
Wow. Next thing you’ll be telling us that “Jewish leaders” who write letters to the Telegraph attacking David Miliband over Kaminski are “strange, odd and obsessive” too.

Is that rule still in place?

Next you’ll be telling us they can’t join golf clubs.

There’s a certain poetic justice in this – Labour have spent a decade saying that no-one cares about Europe, it’s too boring for it to have domestic traction etc. Usually they were saying this because they were about to something potentially unpopular, like renege on a referendum. Now Labour want to talk about internal European politics to make a political attack on the Tories, and they’re finding that they were right – people really don’t care about Europe. The main sentiment is a vague sense of irritation, punctuated by an occasional spasm of dislike.

So the thing is, that going on and on and on and on about the Latvian SS, and whether someone wore a lapel badge in 1994 or not, and whether Lithuanians are homophobic – it just makes you look strangely odd, and obsessive, and bizarrely out of touch. The country’s at war, in the middle of the worst recession in sixty years, running up the largest debt ever, unemployment is soaring. Latvian SS! Polish massacres! Lithuanians! This is, I suppose, whataboutery, but I’d actually be delighted if Labour and the left generally carry on shouting and yelling about the parliamentary grouping structure in the European Parliament all the way up until May (or March, or whenever this shambles of a Government can finally be put down).

Really? Because you come here for no reason other than to troll, or tell us how no one in the country cares for who Tories are in bed with. Your dedication to the cause is admirable.

I’m not trolling, I’m just gloating and mocking. There’s a difference.

In your head perhaps. It’s all the same to me.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/equality/stephen-fry-demands-cameron-reconsiders-europe-stance-$1332236.htm

Without mentioning that they were all Labour luvvies.

In this case some of the jewish signatories to the letter have links to the Tories but the large majority do not appear to have such links so it isn’t a party political letter.

What the hell are you talking about? I’m not arguing for or against anything, because I agree with Lyndon B Johnson about not engaging directly with Pigfucker Gambits, especially not ones as hamfistedly perpetrated as Milliband’s with his Santa’s Little Helpers in the credulous leftie blogosphere.

The point I’m trying to get at is that it didn’t work. You lost. Let it go.

I’m not trolling, I’m just gloating and mocking. There’s a difference.

Oh so it’s ok that the Tories are allying themselves with vile people because most people don’t care or know about this. Yes, that’s typically Tory too.

Anything else you want to put your foot in your mouth about, troll?

My point is that all this who is/who isn’t a racist mudslinging is no longer even a viable tactic, since the electorate are no longer listening. The left have cried wolf way too many times for that.

The Kaminsky/Waffen SS smearing has had no measurable effect on any aspect of domestic politics, except to lower peoples’ already embarassingly low impression of David Milliband.

I suppose Ed will be happy, but what else has it achieved?

That’s Tories for you: they hate people who play the race card except when they play it themselves.

(in any case, since you seem to be equating antizionism with antisemitism, I’m not sure your ‘popularity’ point even holds: most Brits hold 2-state, plague-on-both-houses views on Israel/Palestine, to the extent they care about it at all).

The problem is, of course, the Tories’ platform on immigration seems to accord with what the electorate want, including the old white working class base that makes up Labour’s core support.

In other words when Tories do its a ‘smearathon’?

In general, it’s a bad idea to give lefties a platform to explain what they really think about Jews, as The Guardian and The Independent frequently show.

In general its a bad idea to give the right-wing press or the Tories a platform to talk about immigration or race for the same reason.

As I said, you appear not to have gotten the memo from Labour HQ that this little Euro-smearathon failed.

Antisemitism (masquerading as ‘antizionism’) as now deeply engrained in New Left culture. In general, it’s a bad idea to give lefties a platform to explain what they really think about Jews, as The Guardian and The Independent frequently show.

Funny, you’re the one trolling to justify Kaminski’s comments. And what about the Waffen SS?

Not least because it tends to be the left that has the biggest problem with Jews these days.