Oh, are you still doing this one?

I thought you’d given it up as a bad job when y’all realised this shit wasn’t sticking.

Note well: Dr Alan Mendoza is an extremely smart guy, and will have significant influence over future Tory foreign policy, so when he lays waste to a smeary, vapid little bag of political pus like David Milliband, you should listen.

As much as anything else, the assumption behind the story, that Jews somehow aren’t allowed to be Tories, or can only do so as Uncle Toms is deeply unpleasant.

Not least because it tends to be the left that has the biggest problem with Jews these days.

Not least because it tends to be the left that has the biggest problem with Jews these days.

Funny, you’re the one trolling to justify Kaminski’s comments. And what about the Waffen SS?

@3:

As I said, you appear not to have gotten the memo from Labour HQ that this little Euro-smearathon failed.

Antisemitism (masquerading as ‘antizionism’) as now deeply engrained in New Left culture. In general, it’s a bad idea to give lefties a platform to explain what they really think about Jews, as The Guardian and The Independent frequently show.

As I said, you appear not to have gotten the memo from Labour HQ that this little Euro-smearathon failed.

In other words when Tories do its a ‘smearathon’?

In general, it’s a bad idea to give lefties a platform to explain what they really think about Jews, as The Guardian and The Independent frequently show.

In general its a bad idea to give the right-wing press or the Tories a platform to talk about immigration or race for the same reason.

@5:

The problem is, of course, the Tories’ platform on immigration seems to accord with what the electorate want, including the old white working class base that makes up Labour’s core support.

@2, err, the point isn’t that Jews aren’t supposed to be Tories – FFS, this isn’t 1840. But if you’re both a Jew and a Tory, and you write a letter criticising Labour explicitly based on your position as a Jew, without pointing out that you’re also a Tory, that’s dishonest.

@6, so you’re saying the Tories are racists, but that’s OK because their racism is popular, whereas antisemitism is bad because it’s unpopular? Nice to see you’re a man of principle.

(in any case, since you seem to be equating antizionism with antisemitism, I’m not sure your ‘popularity’ point even holds: most Brits hold 2-state, plague-on-both-houses views on Israel/Palestine, to the extent they care about it at all).

Nice to see you’re a man of principle.

That’s Tories for you: they hate people who play the race card except when they play it themselves.

@8:

My point is that all this who is/who isn’t a racist mudslinging is no longer even a viable tactic, since the electorate are no longer listening. The left have cried wolf way too many times for that.

The Kaminsky/Waffen SS smearing has had no measurable effect on any aspect of domestic politics, except to lower peoples’ already embarassingly low impression of David Milliband.

I suppose Ed will be happy, but what else has it achieved?

The Kaminsky/Waffen SS smearing has had no measurable effect on any aspect of domestic politics

Oh so it’s ok that the Tories are allying themselves with vile people because most people don’t care or know about this. Yes, that’s typically Tory too.

Anything else you want to put your foot in your mouth about, troll?

@11:

What the hell are you talking about? I’m not arguing for or against anything, because I agree with Lyndon B Johnson about not engaging directly with Pigfucker Gambits, especially not ones as hamfistedly perpetrated as Milliband’s with his Santa’s Little Helpers in the credulous leftie blogosphere.

The point I’m trying to get at is that it didn’t work. You lost. Let it go.

I’m not trolling, I’m just gloating and mocking. There’s a difference.

I don’t recall you objecting when a bunch of Labour luvvies wrote a letter condemning the Tories nazibabyeatinghomophobic allies:

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/equality/stephen-fry-demands-cameron-reconsiders-europe-stance-$1332236.htm

Without mentioning that they were all Labour luvvies.

In this case some of the jewish signatories to the letter have links to the Tories but the large majority do not appear to have such links so it isn’t a party political letter.

I must say I am heartened by the sheer generosity of all the conservative posters taking the time and trouble repeatedly to point out how this issue is not getting any traction. Such altrusim reflects great credit on their party.

Left Foot Forward have only begun to get to grips with the connection between the list & the Tories. For example Howard Leigh’s company Cavendish has given the Tories over 70,000 pounds as well as his personal contribution.

I’m not arguing for or against anything, because I agree with Lyndon B Johnson about not engaging directly with Pigfucker Gambits,

Really? Because you come here for no reason other than to troll, or tell us how no one in the country cares for who Tories are in bed with. Your dedication to the cause is admirable.

I’m not trolling, I’m just gloating and mocking. There’s a difference.

In your head perhaps. It’s all the same to me.

I think we’ve established beyond all reasonable doubt that no-one beyond a very narrow political sphere cares about the domestic political leanings of the Eastern European parties with whom the Tories are in alliance in the European Parliament. Just read that sentence back – the whole subject is obscure, tedious and irrelevant.

There’s a certain poetic justice in this – Labour have spent a decade saying that no-one cares about Europe, it’s too boring for it to have domestic traction etc. Usually they were saying this because they were about to something potentially unpopular, like renege on a referendum. Now Labour want to talk about internal European politics to make a political attack on the Tories, and they’re finding that they were right – people really don’t care about Europe. The main sentiment is a vague sense of irritation, punctuated by an occasional spasm of dislike.

So the thing is, that going on and on and on and on about the Latvian SS, and whether someone wore a lapel badge in 1994 or not, and whether Lithuanians are homophobic – it just makes you look strangely odd, and obsessive, and bizarrely out of touch. The country’s at war, in the middle of the worst recession in sixty years, running up the largest debt ever, unemployment is soaring. Latvian SS! Polish massacres! Lithuanians! This is, I suppose, whataboutery, but I’d actually be delighted if Labour and the left generally carry on shouting and yelling about the parliamentary grouping structure in the European Parliament all the way up until May (or March, or whenever this shambles of a Government can finally be put down).

‘@2, err, the point isn’t that Jews aren’t supposed to be Tories ‘

Is that rule still in place?

Next you’ll be telling us they can’t join golf clubs.

@18, I think you might’ve failed to spot one of my “n’t”s. Either that or I’m totally lost.

So the thing is, that going on and on and on and on about the Latvian SS, and whether someone wore a lapel badge in 1994 or not, and whether Lithuanians are homophobic – it just makes you look strangely odd, and obsessive, and bizarrely out of touch.

Does it?
Wow. Next thing you’ll be telling us that “Jewish leaders” who write letters to the Telegraph attacking David Miliband over Kaminski are “strange, odd and obsessive” too.

I’d have thought the people of this country would be rightly concerned they knew their prospective government was tied up with people who want to give pensions to the Waffen SS etc etc. So much for detoxifying the Conservative brand.

That’s presumably why the Tories are getting so hysterical about the issue.

‘@18, I think you might’ve failed to spot one of my “n’t”s. Either that or I’m totally lost.’

Don’t confuse me with double negatives. They makes my head hurt.

20 – ah, but they’re attacking David Miliband for attacking the Conservatives, for not attacking the Poles, for attacking the…

Are you really suggesting that in an argument of

“You’re a racist!”
“No I’m not”
“Racist!”
“Not”
“Racist racist!”
“Not!”

That it’s the person shouting ‘not’ that’s the obsessive one?

20 – ah, but they’re attacking David Miliband for attacking the Conservatives

And we’re pointing out that they’re quite party political already, while attacking Miliband for doing the same. Keep up Tim J!

You guys constantly screaming hysterically that no one cares about this and that people are “obsessive” for pointing out that the next govt is tightly shacked up with a bunch of loonies from Europe is rather hilarious. But it’s fun to watch you people squirm.

And there was I thinking that I was being all calm and measured…

As I said above, if you honestly, genuinely think that this is a winner of a strategy (and it can only be an electoral strategy as you are quite unconcerned about any links any other parties have) then by all means keep on going. My twin positions on this are:

1. No one cares about Europe. Labour said for a decade when the Tories tried to make an issue of it. They were right then; they’re right now. No one cares.

2. Parties that go on, and on and on and on, about obscure European politics look weird and obsessive. This was true when William Hague was bleating that there were “Twenty four hours to save the poooouuunnnnd” and it’s true when Miliband D waffles on about the Latvian SS (then has to apologise for it).

I would be happy to defend (again, for what the thirtieth time on Lib Con?) the formation of the ECR – but I’m BORED of it. It bores me. It bores everyone who isn’t clinically insane or Bill Cash (to come over all Mark Twain). And I’ll leave you the last word Sunny, because I cannot be arsed to go through all of this again. Nice to know that you accept the Tories as the next Govt though.