Comments on: Tory bloggers offer cover to Cameron on EU

By: Margin4Error

Margin4Error — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:03:43 +0000

I can’t see that happening Bob. He doesn’t want out because it would take over his whole five years in office for no gain and a lot of cost.

But criticism of his u-turn is weak given that although he was never upfront about it and avoided answering the question when asked, he never said he’d stand by his pledge after ratification – plus it is pretty clear that holding one could only damage his Government by setting an unachievable mandate.

By: Bob B

Bob B — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:11:43 +0000

All this can be easily resolved to quell the continuing turbulence among Conservatives.

There is nothing stopping Cameron from committing the next Conservative government to holding a referendum shortly after taking office on the option of withdrawing Britain from the European Union, using the mechanisms provided in the Lisbon Treaty.

By: SgtSkepper

SgtSkepper — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:04:59 +0000

I always wonder if Nick Griffin knows what he’s saying is bullshit or whether he’s surrounded by yes men and deluded enough to actually believe his own bollocks.

By: John Rogers

John Rogers — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:43:37 +0000

The usual Tory junk, blame someone else and accuse them of making it up. Filth.

By: Mark M

Mark M — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:24:49 +0000

Yeah, let’s have a referendum on a treaty that’s already ratified and we cannot ‘unratify’ (if that’s indeed a word).

Too late lefties. If you wanted a referendum you should have got Labour to give us one.

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:33:20 +0000

I’m no fan of Dave Lightweight, but the BNP comparison is very silly.

By: Tim J

Tim J — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:48:11 +0000

It’s a cracking poster. But the argument is bollocks. Right from the start – right back to 2007 – the Tories have said ‘if the Lisbon Treaty remains unratified if we win the next election, we will hold a referendum; if it has been ratified we will not let matters rest.’ The second half of this is obvious filler, but to suggest that the committment has always been to a referendum regardless of whether the Treaty was in force or not is either stupid, or deliberately disingenuous.

And for people who think Cameron should offer a referendum on Lisbon – what should the question be, and what should the resulting action be?

Oh, and if we’re parsing party leader’s speeches for strange reflections of the BNP, may I offer you British Jobs for British Workers? Or the policy of locking up teenage single mothers in hostels? Operation Fightback? Glasshouses here…

By: Tim Worstall

Tim Worstall — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:19:15 +0000

Love the poster.

By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:05:47 +0000

Hohoho – attacking Cammo on his failure to deliver a referendum post-ratification won’t do much damage. If anything it will just remind people that Labour (and for what it’s worth the LD’s) reneged on their own promises and/or play into the “you can’t trust any of them” camp. (NB – which you can’t…!)

And I thought Tory bloggers were “threatening civil war” with Cameron (Sunny yesterday).

Which is it?

By: Dave Semple

Dave Semple — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:54:39 +0000

Well, in fairness, I thought Cameron’s weaselly get out clause was in there from the beginning? If the treaty is unratified, blah blah blah. So in truth Dale etc are probably correct in that he hasn’t broken a cast iron pledge, he exercised a get-out clause he very sensibly left in there.

Small consolation for most of the Tory rank and file, I’d have thought – which makes Dale and Monty and their attitudes just sad.

By: Mr Eugenides

Mr Eugenides — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:32:09 +0000

Damn you, Unity. But I love the poster.

By: Liberal Conspiracy

Liberal Conspiracy — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:59:22 +0000

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