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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Conservative Party in deep trouble over Europe</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-72952</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Conservative Party in deep trouble over Europe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Israel and has condemned anti-Semitism does not answer anything. Nowadays Nick Griffin himself considers himself as a strong ally of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-10-28 &#171; Rumblegumption</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-10-28 &#171; Rumblegumption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TheLady</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-72151</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On top of what Reza points out at #4, it&#039;s also worth considering that almost all right wing organisations have this strong militaristic aesthetic, which makes Israel, and especially the legendary Mossad, super sexy to them. 

Plus, of course, they might just not always make the connection. Friends of mine had an encounter with some German skinheads who completely failed to conflate Israeliness and Jewishness, to the point where they (my friends) were lionised by the gang as &quot;beating up those darkies&quot; or whatever. It&#039;s important to remember that one of the defining characteristics of fascists is that they are &lt;b&gt;dumb&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On top of what Reza points out at #4, it&#8217;s also worth considering that almost all right wing organisations have this strong militaristic aesthetic, which makes Israel, and especially the legendary Mossad, super sexy to them. </p>
<p>Plus, of course, they might just not always make the connection. Friends of mine had an encounter with some German skinheads who completely failed to conflate Israeliness and Jewishness, to the point where they (my friends) were lionised by the gang as &#8220;beating up those darkies&#8221; or whatever. It&#8217;s important to remember that one of the defining characteristics of fascists is that they are <b>dumb</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: DHG</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-72013</link>
		<dc:creator>DHG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The siding with Jews by odd bed fellows is common, look at the conservative right in America, the Christian Right who fundamentally believe that Jews will have to repent or die play a crucial part in end time mythology and so are allies, until Christ comes with a big fuck off sword that is.

It is an interesting new development that the right is becoming increasingly attached to what was its greatest foe and the left, speaking very generally, becoming distanced from the Jewish cause because of the terrible treatment of the Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The siding with Jews by odd bed fellows is common, look at the conservative right in America, the Christian Right who fundamentally believe that Jews will have to repent or die play a crucial part in end time mythology and so are allies, until Christ comes with a big fuck off sword that is.</p>
<p>It is an interesting new development that the right is becoming increasingly attached to what was its greatest foe and the left, speaking very generally, becoming distanced from the Jewish cause because of the terrible treatment of the Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-72004</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You misunderstand. 

There is no intellectual contradiction between Griffin&#039;s probable anti-Semitism and his support for universal ethno-nationalism.

He supports Zionism because Zionism is ethno-nationalist in nature. (Okay, one could substitute the “ethno” to “religio”)

Zionism supports a homeland for Jews, run by Jews that gives Jews priority rights to settle there.

The BNP have a similar vision for Britain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You misunderstand. </p>
<p>There is no intellectual contradiction between Griffin&#8217;s probable anti-Semitism and his support for universal ethno-nationalism.</p>
<p>He supports Zionism because Zionism is ethno-nationalist in nature. (Okay, one could substitute the “ethno” to “religio”)</p>
<p>Zionism supports a homeland for Jews, run by Jews that gives Jews priority rights to settle there.</p>
<p>The BNP have a similar vision for Britain.</p>
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		<title>By: organic cheeseboard</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-71885</link>
		<dc:creator>organic cheeseboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well yeah. See the usa too where there are an awful lot of anti semites like ann coulter who also cheerlead for israel. Mehdi has it about right and this all takes you back to the old confusion of israeli and zionist and jew-which, sadly, both sides of the argument interchange far too often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well yeah. See the usa too where there are an awful lot of anti semites like ann coulter who also cheerlead for israel. Mehdi has it about right and this all takes you back to the old confusion of israeli and zionist and jew-which, sadly, both sides of the argument interchange far too often.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rightwinger waving an Israeli flag doesn&#039;t necessarily like Jews.  He just hates Arabs more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rightwinger waving an Israeli flag doesn&#8217;t necessarily like Jews.  He just hates Arabs more.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love. 

However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.

This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him. 

Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need. 

Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man. 

You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” 

But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?” 

That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question. 

This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.

Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love. </p>
<p>However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.</p>
<p>This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him. </p>
<p>Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need. </p>
<p>Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man. </p>
<p>You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” </p>
<p>But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?” </p>
<p>That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question. </p>
<p>This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.</p>
<p>Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/26/over-compensating-by-turning-pro-israeli/#comment-75117</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Article:: Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli http://bit.ly/305kUN&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/libcon/status/5173610789&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Article:: Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli <a href="http://bit.ly/305kUN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/305kUN</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/5173610789">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Raincoat Optimism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raincoat Optimism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @tweetmeme Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli http://retwt.me/1udOg&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/carlraincoat/status/5174093649&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @tweetmeme Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli <a href="http://retwt.me/1udOg" rel="nofollow">http://retwt.me/1udOg</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/carlraincoat/status/5174093649">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Article:: Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli http://bit.ly/305kUN&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/libcon/status/5173610789&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Article:: Over-compensating by turning pro-Israeli <a href="http://bit.ly/305kUN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/305kUN</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/5173610789">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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