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	<title>Comments on: HIV &#8211; AIDS denialism at the Spectator</title>
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		<title>By: Schedule2CD</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-383341</link>
		<dc:creator>Schedule2CD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anandamide</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-382109</link>
		<dc:creator>Anandamide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Owen Blacker</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-382110</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Blacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 13:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Pandora Blake</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-382111</link>
		<dc:creator>Pandora Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 10:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Lanie Ingram</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381907</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanie Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: michelle maher</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381899</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina B</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381883</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabrina B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mabel Horrocks</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel Horrocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Trembath</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381885</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Trembath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Blake</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381886</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Bella Caledonia</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381887</link>
		<dc:creator>Bella Caledonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381888</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: sunny hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381881</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Am surprised more ppl don&#039;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Am surprised more ppl don&#39;t know about HIV-AIDS denialism at Spectator. Here you go: <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: sunny hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-381876</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@notasheepagoat http://t.co/kHJOFttK and http://t.co/PitMO8Sl&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@notasheepagoat <a href="http://t.co/kHJOFttK" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/kHJOFttK</a> and <a href="http://t.co/PitMO8Sl" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/PitMO8Sl</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Manual Spectator Headline Generator &#171; Bad Conscience</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71709</link>
		<dc:creator>Manual Spectator Headline Generator &#171; Bad Conscience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the ranks of the global warming deniers, The Spectator editor Fraser Nelson has decided to go for Aids denialism as well (and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the ranks of the global warming deniers, The Spectator editor Fraser Nelson has decided to go for Aids denialism as well (and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Spectator mag publishes more AIDS denialism</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71699</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; Spectator mag publishes more AIDS denialism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mag publishes more AIDS denialism by Sunny H &#160; &#160;  October 26, 2009 at 9:16 am Last week I blogged about a piece by Spectator magazine editor Fraser Nelson titled &#8216;Questioning the AIDS [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mag publishes more AIDS denialism by Sunny H &nbsp; &nbsp;  October 26, 2009 at 9:16 am Last week I blogged about a piece by Spectator magazine editor Fraser Nelson titled &#8216;Questioning the AIDS [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wilson</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71317</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - Having said that I do also think it&#039;s true that there is a significant current of right-wing ideology which, for peculiarly right-wing reasons, is easily seduced by all sorts of anti-science nonsense, and that it&#039;s fair enough to lampoon those like Fraser Nelson who fall for it. But I agree with Gimpy that the bigger problem is the priveleging of ideology over evidence, whichever point on the spectrum the ideologue occupies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; Having said that I do also think it&#8217;s true that there is a significant current of right-wing ideology which, for peculiarly right-wing reasons, is easily seduced by all sorts of anti-science nonsense, and that it&#8217;s fair enough to lampoon those like Fraser Nelson who fall for it. But I agree with Gimpy that the bigger problem is the priveleging of ideology over evidence, whichever point on the spectrum the ideologue occupies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wilson</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71315</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimpy&#039;s right - some of the most insidious AIDS denialist arguments have been couched in overtly left-wing terms eg. that it&#039;s all a big conspiracy by big evil multinationals, that &#039;HIV&#039; is merely a socially-constructed &#039;label&#039; used to stigmatise the gay community, that the belief in an African AIDS epidemic is merely the product of western cultural imperialist stereotypes, that the application of &#039;western science&#039; is somehow culturally inappropriate when trying to tackle AIDS outside of Europe and N. America etc. 

Major AIDS denialist figures like Christine Maggiore seemed to see themselves precisely as the anti-establishment rebels standing up against the power of corporate Big Pharma, and understanding this is, in my view, key to understanding how and why AIDS denial has taken such a hold. 

To give just one example, here&#039;s Caspar Schmidt seeking to explain AIDS as a &#039;group fantasy&#039; among gay men triggered by the election of Ronald Reagan... http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/csfantasy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimpy&#8217;s right &#8211; some of the most insidious AIDS denialist arguments have been couched in overtly left-wing terms eg. that it&#8217;s all a big conspiracy by big evil multinationals, that &#8216;HIV&#8217; is merely a socially-constructed &#8216;label&#8217; used to stigmatise the gay community, that the belief in an African AIDS epidemic is merely the product of western cultural imperialist stereotypes, that the application of &#8216;western science&#8217; is somehow culturally inappropriate when trying to tackle AIDS outside of Europe and N. America etc. </p>
<p>Major AIDS denialist figures like Christine Maggiore seemed to see themselves precisely as the anti-establishment rebels standing up against the power of corporate Big Pharma, and understanding this is, in my view, key to understanding how and why AIDS denial has taken such a hold. </p>
<p>To give just one example, here&#8217;s Caspar Schmidt seeking to explain AIDS as a &#8216;group fantasy&#8217; among gay men triggered by the election of Ronald Reagan&#8230; <a href="http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/csfantasy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/csfantasy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71311</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth pointing out that Mbeki has changed his position in the light of scientific evidence, so now the Spectator are pretty much out there on their own. Also, while his science was previously wrong, in suggesting that poverty caused the onset of AIDS, he was partially right. Extreme poverty and especially associated malnutrition certainly doesn&#039;t help the body fight AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that Mbeki has changed his position in the light of scientific evidence, so now the Spectator are pretty much out there on their own. Also, while his science was previously wrong, in suggesting that poverty caused the onset of AIDS, he was partially right. Extreme poverty and especially associated malnutrition certainly doesn&#8217;t help the body fight AIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71308</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But in the world of wingnuttery, any “questioning” of the consensus should be applauded. Who needs research?&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s nothing wrong with questioning the consensus - the problem arises when people refuse to listen to the answers. 

&lt;i&gt;Does the magazine take the approach to facts when promoting global warming denialism?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes - see anything written by James Delingpole or melanie Phillips on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But in the world of wingnuttery, any “questioning” of the consensus should be applauded. Who needs research?</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with questioning the consensus &#8211; the problem arises when people refuse to listen to the answers. </p>
<p><i>Does the magazine take the approach to facts when promoting global warming denialism?</i></p>
<p>Yes &#8211; see anything written by James Delingpole or melanie Phillips on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie2</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71277</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Montagnier appears to suggest healthy immune systems can shrug off HIV/Aids. Is this not worth investigating? There is a prostitute in Nairobi who is immune to Aids.  Surely research into strengthening the human immune system aginst HIV/Aids makes sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montagnier appears to suggest healthy immune systems can shrug off HIV/Aids. Is this not worth investigating? There is a prostitute in Nairobi who is immune to Aids.  Surely research into strengthening the human immune system aginst HIV/Aids makes sense?</p>
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		<title>By: frolix22</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71257</link>
		<dc:creator>frolix22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it seems the Spectator has finally gone right off the precipice into outright blathering lunacy. Still, they have been flirting with it for a while. I mean, Melanie P&#039;s columns are scary enough.

In a sane society people would simply back away from the publication and ignore it but I suppose that won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it seems the Spectator has finally gone right off the precipice into outright blathering lunacy. Still, they have been flirting with it for a while. I mean, Melanie P&#8217;s columns are scary enough.</p>
<p>In a sane society people would simply back away from the publication and ignore it but I suppose that won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71194</link>
		<dc:creator>gimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Sagar 6.

&lt;i&gt;Sorry, but Mbeki’s wingnuttery does not defeat the ovrwhelming point that it is vastly and overwhelmingly the political right which engages in mainstreaming aids and climate change denialism.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a very dangerous argument to make.  For a start it is not true that it is the political right which mainstreams AIDS denial - much of the support is apolitical and comes from the alternative health movements and is a feature as much of the right as the left, in fact most alt therapists, in the UK at least, appear to have political sympathies which lie on the green/liberal/left side of the political spectrum.  The Green Party in particular are a haven for these sorts of views.
The climate issue is more complex, but again is not strictly party political, you can find people on the left just as on the right who will dispute the science from a position of ignorance.

But this is all by the by. What is truly objectionable about your reasoning is that you are debasing the cold hard empiricism of science by discussing it at the level of politics, where rhetoric and ideology are used as weapons at the expense of evidence (e.g. see Unity&#039;s recent post on Nick Davies report into the exaggeration of sex trafficking). I, and many others, believe that policy should be evidence based, this does not mean that politics has no role to play but it means that political discussion should be built on a bedrock of evidence. The political healthcare debate should be over the best method of providing drugs that work, the climate debate over the best ways to ameliorate the harmful effects of AGW, the AIDS debate over the best way to reduce the spread and develop effective preventative strategies, etc.
By resorting to party political taunts you cast aside evidence based arguments, antagonise and alienate those who while they may not agree with you on the political implications of evidence nevertheless respect its value and will condemn its misuse and you lower scientific debate to the level of street theatre.  
You may be comfortable filtering reality through a political spectrum but that is not how science works. Just as gravity owes no allegiance to 17th century English politics, modern virology has no allegiance to a position on the political spectrum.  

Frankly, it is attitudes like yours that are a barrier to a wider public understanding of science and until politicians and journalists realise that scientific evidence is superior to political rhetoric then we will continue to have problems like MMR, AIDS denial, climate denial, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Sagar 6.</p>
<p><i>Sorry, but Mbeki’s wingnuttery does not defeat the ovrwhelming point that it is vastly and overwhelmingly the political right which engages in mainstreaming aids and climate change denialism.</i></p>
<p>This is a very dangerous argument to make.  For a start it is not true that it is the political right which mainstreams AIDS denial &#8211; much of the support is apolitical and comes from the alternative health movements and is a feature as much of the right as the left, in fact most alt therapists, in the UK at least, appear to have political sympathies which lie on the green/liberal/left side of the political spectrum.  The Green Party in particular are a haven for these sorts of views.<br />
The climate issue is more complex, but again is not strictly party political, you can find people on the left just as on the right who will dispute the science from a position of ignorance.</p>
<p>But this is all by the by. What is truly objectionable about your reasoning is that you are debasing the cold hard empiricism of science by discussing it at the level of politics, where rhetoric and ideology are used as weapons at the expense of evidence (e.g. see Unity&#8217;s recent post on Nick Davies report into the exaggeration of sex trafficking). I, and many others, believe that policy should be evidence based, this does not mean that politics has no role to play but it means that political discussion should be built on a bedrock of evidence. The political healthcare debate should be over the best method of providing drugs that work, the climate debate over the best ways to ameliorate the harmful effects of AGW, the AIDS debate over the best way to reduce the spread and develop effective preventative strategies, etc.<br />
By resorting to party political taunts you cast aside evidence based arguments, antagonise and alienate those who while they may not agree with you on the political implications of evidence nevertheless respect its value and will condemn its misuse and you lower scientific debate to the level of street theatre.<br />
You may be comfortable filtering reality through a political spectrum but that is not how science works. Just as gravity owes no allegiance to 17th century English politics, modern virology has no allegiance to a position on the political spectrum.  </p>
<p>Frankly, it is attitudes like yours that are a barrier to a wider public understanding of science and until politicians and journalists realise that scientific evidence is superior to political rhetoric then we will continue to have problems like MMR, AIDS denial, climate denial, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Stanley</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-74858</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;HIV – AIDS denialism at the Spectator http://viigo.im/1hkZ&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/nigelstanley/status/5122347634&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">HIV – AIDS denialism at the Spectator <a href="http://viigo.im/1hkZ" rel="nofollow">http://viigo.im/1hkZ</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/nigelstanley/status/5122347634">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/10/23/hiv-aids-denialism-at-the-spectator/#comment-71088</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read that bit about meeting &#039;Dinsdale&#039; I had to wonder whether Spiny Norman would also be making an appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read that bit about meeting &#8216;Dinsdale&#8217; I had to wonder whether Spiny Norman would also be making an appearance.</p>
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