Comments on: Iain Dale Fail on Labour and motorists

By: BenM

BenM — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:50:10 +0000

That Dale chap is rather odious.

Also not very bright either, judging by his political opinions. That post was classic Daily Express mendacity.

And this jester gets BBC radio airtime?

Perhaps concrete evidence that the corporation really has dumbed down.

By: Robert Smith

Robert Smith — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:37:32 +0000

I heard Dale on five live the other night, he really does come across as rather odious.

By: Kerry McCarthy

Kerry McCarthy — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:14:53 +0000

And while @iaindale is giving up his verdict on #ConHome/Con2ndHome, perhaps he could also comment on this http://bit.ly/4qOVZ

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By: Paul Sagar

Paul Sagar — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:52:32 +0000

@16

The BBC?

Most universities (amenable to pressure, to varying degrees, but some are definitely very independent – e.g. Oxford and Cambridge)?

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:01:51 +0000

@14. No there aren’t.

By: Neil

Neil — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:49:58 +0000

@12 – oh dear, it’s cjcjc’s ‘Oh dear – it’s “Why Iain Dale Must Be Ignored”, volume 2665343.’ comment, for the 2665343rd time.

By: tim f

tim f — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:31:34 +0000

#5/#9 There are plenty of organisations which are funded by the government directly or indirectly and which are independent of it.

cjcjc – I think this is more “Iain Dale must be pointed at and laughed at” than “Iain Dale must be ignored”. To be honest, the only time I ever read Iain Dale is when blogs I read criticise him.

By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill

Daniel Hoffmann-Gill — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:38:39 +0000

Nice to see a utilisation of the term IAIN DALE FAIL, which can also be rephrased as an EPIC DALE.

It’ll catch on no doubt!

By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:18:09 +0000

Oh dear – it’s “Why Iain Dale Must Be Ignored”, volume 2665343.

By: Tim J

Tim J — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:46:27 +0000

Sunny, the thread was entitled “Dan Hannan excusing racism at Obama”.

Although perhaps this isn’t the place to go through all that again. Talk to Sunder about it.

By: Sunny H

Sunny H — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:39:15 +0000

who posted a whole thread accusing Dan Hannan of excusing racism,

No I didn’t. I said he was playing it down, and I expanded more on that here:
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5944

By: Chris

Chris — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:32:58 +0000

You’ve got to love these outfits. “Cycling England is an independent, expert body,” their website says. Not only does the bit about expert, proclaim a very high opinion of themselves (and what does it mean? – that they can ride bikes?), but the word independent displays quite an amazing lack of honesty. Given that their website address is http://www.dft.gov.uk/cyclingengland I think it’s fair to say that they are not actually independent of the government at all. and are a bunch of not very expert liars.

By: Tim J

Tim J — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:31:47 +0000

4 – um, it does say that. See, right there in the bit I quoted.

Iain was linking to the Times article, Sunny’s linking to the Daily Mail.

7 – oh I agree, which is why I said that Iain ought to have read the Times article more closely before posting. It’s just an odd accusation from Sunny, who posted a whole thread accusing Dan Hannan of excusing racism, without bothering to read the article in question at all.

By: Claude

Claude — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:31:15 +0000

Tim J,
the way you are defending an obvious slip-up is ridiculous.
I mean, HELLO?, the title itself is “Labour’s Maddest Idea”, and the first line says “Labour Ministers are intending to pass laws…”etc, which is totally bollox. End of.

By: IanVisits

IanVisits — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:30:34 +0000

You might want to read the blog of Labour MP, Tom Harris occasionally.

He raised the same issue about a week ago, and the plans were coming out of a Scottish Government report.

As he notes, there have been other Labour MPs who have in the past supported such a proposal.

http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2009/09/14/two-wheels-good-usually/

By: sli

sli — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:17:58 +0000

A Department for Transport spokesman said:This is something that gets raised by pressure groups from time to time

Who actually funds Cycling England? Not the DoT is it?

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:16:43 +0000

Tim J

It doesn’t say that either. A pressure group has made a proposal. Someone in the department is looking at it. Presumably another pressure group has got a tame journalist to help head it it off.

By: Tim J

Tim J — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:12:47 +0000

Yes indeed Sunny, Iain ought to have read the article more closely and seen that, instead of ‘Government ministers’ it was ‘Government advisers’ that are pushing for a change in the law.

But then again, at least he bothered to read the article at all.

By: Sunny H

Sunny H — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:19 +0000

Oh Tim, all these accusations and counter-accusations of hypocrisy are soooo passe. Why play whataboutery eh?

As for the blog post, I suppose reading between the lines is too much to ask.

By: Tim J

Tim J — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:45:26 +0000

To be fair to Iain, the article he linked to starts with the following:

MINISTERS are considering making motorists legally responsible for accidents involving cyclists or pedestrians, even if they are not at fault.

Government advisers are pushing for changes in the civil law that will make the most powerful vehicle involved in a collision automatically liable for insurance and compensation purposes.

So it’s perhaps more the Times pushing a non-story a bit hard.

But wait, is this Sunny Hundal criticising a blogger for not reading the article he links to before going off on a rant? The irony! It burns!

By: Liberal Conspiracy

Liberal Conspiracy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:20:00 +0000

Article:: Iain Dale Fail on Labour and motorists http://bit.ly/29oiPK

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By: Liberal Conspiracy

Liberal Conspiracy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:20:00 +0000

Article:: Iain Dale Fail on Labour and motorists http://bit.ly/29oiPK

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