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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63452</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7

It&#039;s not that easy for councils to find people to do the count - many have worked a full day previous to the count.

There&#039;s also some self-interest on my part as activists will likely have started campaigning at 5am. They do have an important scrutinising role to play, watching the counters and checking for mistakes.

The allegation that Labour activists routinely intimidate postal voters is probably defamatory, and certainly false. The only time I&#039;ve ever known malpractice with postal and proxy votes happen locally was a Conservative activist who was convicted of it. In actual fact I suspect the Tories benefit more from postal votes overall - but we don&#039;t find pretexts to complain about that because we believe in the importance of people using their vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that easy for councils to find people to do the count &#8211; many have worked a full day previous to the count.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also some self-interest on my part as activists will likely have started campaigning at 5am. They do have an important scrutinising role to play, watching the counters and checking for mistakes.</p>
<p>The allegation that Labour activists routinely intimidate postal voters is probably defamatory, and certainly false. The only time I&#8217;ve ever known malpractice with postal and proxy votes happen locally was a Conservative activist who was convicted of it. In actual fact I suspect the Tories benefit more from postal votes overall &#8211; but we don&#8217;t find pretexts to complain about that because we believe in the importance of people using their vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggot</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63415</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the Town Clerk&#039;s coming onto the balcony now ...&quot;

Jeeziz! What a bore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the Town Clerk&#8217;s coming onto the balcony now &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeeziz! What a bore!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63371</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8 - no, because I&#039;ll be sober and at work.  There&#039;s little enough in the way of democratic drama in this country.  Election night is political theatre, and spreading it out over the next few days would drain the magic from it.  Life&#039;s flat and dull enough as it is without making it more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 &#8211; no, because I&#8217;ll be sober and at work.  There&#8217;s little enough in the way of democratic drama in this country.  Election night is political theatre, and spreading it out over the next few days would drain the magic from it.  Life&#8217;s flat and dull enough as it is without making it more so.</p>
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		<title>By: donpaskini</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63365</link>
		<dc:creator>donpaskini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;5-At the risk of walking into some ironic trap I am too stupid to see, I seem to remember them making massive losses?&quot;

Ah, no, I was at the count in one of about 3 places where Labour made gains (Oxfordshire).

&quot;4 - Not everyone’s as lucky as you and can afford to be lounging around in front of a TV during the middle of a weekday.&quot;

True nuff, though most people could take a day&#039;s leave if they wanted, like I did.

&quot;2 - ‘Were you up for Portillo?’ rather loses its drama when it happens at 11.45 on Friday morning and everyone’s at work.&quot;

I believe that you will find it just as enjoyable if, say, Ed Balls loses his seat at 11.45 on Friday morning as if it happens at 3.45am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;5-At the risk of walking into some ironic trap I am too stupid to see, I seem to remember them making massive losses?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, no, I was at the count in one of about 3 places where Labour made gains (Oxfordshire).</p>
<p>&#8220;4 &#8211; Not everyone’s as lucky as you and can afford to be lounging around in front of a TV during the middle of a weekday.&#8221;</p>
<p>True nuff, though most people could take a day&#8217;s leave if they wanted, like I did.</p>
<p>&#8220;2 &#8211; ‘Were you up for Portillo?’ rather loses its drama when it happens at 11.45 on Friday morning and everyone’s at work.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that you will find it just as enjoyable if, say, Ed Balls loses his seat at 11.45 on Friday morning as if it happens at 3.45am.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63357</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;count the votes while people are awake enough to get the result right&quot;

But if you&#039;re a counter you know to adjust your sleep to account for the fact you&#039;re going to be up all night counting, so the idea that tired people get the result wrong doesn&#039;t account for that.

I&#039;m with ConHome on this one, not because of the &#039;excitement&#039; factor, but because votes should be counted the moments the polls close. While fraud is highly unlikely (unless you&#039;re a Labour activist &#039;helping&#039; people to fill in their postal vote), it is irresponsible to increase the chances of it by leaving ballot boxes overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;count the votes while people are awake enough to get the result right&#8221;</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re a counter you know to adjust your sleep to account for the fact you&#8217;re going to be up all night counting, so the idea that tired people get the result wrong doesn&#8217;t account for that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with ConHome on this one, not because of the &#8216;excitement&#8217; factor, but because votes should be counted the moments the polls close. While fraud is highly unlikely (unless you&#8217;re a Labour activist &#8216;helping&#8217; people to fill in their postal vote), it is irresponsible to increase the chances of it by leaving ballot boxes overnight.</p>
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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63355</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want entertainment, go to a gig or a football match or something. If you want democracy, count the votes while people are awake enough to get the result right.

The idea that non-Labour councils would stuff the ballot boxes with Labour ballots is pretty laughable, but if that&#039;s really a concern, why not verify the total number of votes on election night then do the actual count the next day. You&#039;ll know if the result doesn&#039;t tally with the number of votes cast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want entertainment, go to a gig or a football match or something. If you want democracy, count the votes while people are awake enough to get the result right.</p>
<p>The idea that non-Labour councils would stuff the ballot boxes with Labour ballots is pretty laughable, but if that&#8217;s really a concern, why not verify the total number of votes on election night then do the actual count the next day. You&#8217;ll know if the result doesn&#8217;t tally with the number of votes cast.</p>
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		<title>By: vulpus_rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>vulpus_rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it was still just as enjoyable watching Labour make gains.&quot;

At the risk of walking into some ironic trap I am too stupid to see, I seem to remember them making massive losses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it was still just as enjoyable watching Labour make gains.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the risk of walking into some ironic trap I am too stupid to see, I seem to remember them making massive losses?</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus Westwood</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63345</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus Westwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...&quot;they counted on Friday this year...and it was still just as enjoyable watching Labour make gains.&quot; Not everyone&#039;s as lucky as you and can afford to be lounging around in front of a TV during the middle of a weekday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;&#8221;they counted on Friday this year&#8230;and it was still just as enjoyable watching Labour make gains.&#8221; Not everyone&#8217;s as lucky as you and can afford to be lounging around in front of a TV during the middle of a weekday.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63342</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I care about election night. What about democracy. Let us keep election night, We need to  keep the right to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I care about election night. What about democracy. Let us keep election night, We need to  keep the right to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim J</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/reasons-not-to-care-about-election-night/#comment-63339</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  &#039;Were you up for Portillo?&#039; rather loses its drama when it happens at 11.45 on Friday morning and everyone&#039;s at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  &#8216;Were you up for Portillo?&#8217; rather loses its drama when it happens at 11.45 on Friday morning and everyone&#8217;s at work.</p>
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		<title>By: IanVisits</title>
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		<dc:creator>IanVisits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also ignored the reasons put forward by a lot of people on the left, as well as the right of the political spectrum.

It is a genuinely exciting time for everyone concerned and I think it would probably breach some arcane aspect of Human Rights to make prospective MPs (and all their supporters) wait an extra day for the results!

Once every few years, even us who are not politically active, but interested in the issues can have a bit of an unusual event by sitting up all night and watching the election results, either with friends or gossiping online.

Frankly, it&#039;s damn good fun.

And meh to the killjoys who want to abolish it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also ignored the reasons put forward by a lot of people on the left, as well as the right of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>It is a genuinely exciting time for everyone concerned and I think it would probably breach some arcane aspect of Human Rights to make prospective MPs (and all their supporters) wait an extra day for the results!</p>
<p>Once every few years, even us who are not politically active, but interested in the issues can have a bit of an unusual event by sitting up all night and watching the election results, either with friends or gossiping online.</p>
<p>Frankly, it&#8217;s damn good fun.</p>
<p>And meh to the killjoys who want to abolish it.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Article:: Reasons not to care about election night http://bit.ly/bH8Xv&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3883912836&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Article:: Reasons not to care about election night <a href="http://bit.ly/bH8Xv" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bH8Xv</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3883912836">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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