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		<title>By: Francesco Costa &#187; Per così poco</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63992</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesco Costa &#187; Per così poco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] e disastrosa degli ultimi mesi, in Gran Bretagna alcuni commentatori &#8211; aizzati da qualche blogger, a dire la verità &#8211; hanno iniziato a ragionare dell&#8217;ipotesi (che alcuni danno per [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BMJ Group blogs: Journal of Medical Ethics blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mental Illness - even if it&#8217;s Gordon Brown&#8217;s - is not Interesting.</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63879</link>
		<dc:creator>BMJ Group blogs: Journal of Medical Ethics blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mental Illness - even if it&#8217;s Gordon Brown&#8217;s - is not Interesting.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Penny, over at Liberal Conspiracy, makes a similar point: We have no way of substantiating this rumor, but let’s for a moment run with the assumption that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Truther</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63811</link>
		<dc:creator>Truther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lilliput How does firing people from jobs they can do help people, it is a major cause of depression to do that? 
One of comments in your link says that one of the men who killed himself was upset at being discriminated against. So your claim is they should be banned from any top job as a result. So your argument to stop them from killing themselves at being discriminated against, is to discriminate them from more jobs.
That is oppressing them and pretending, it is for their own good. And then giving them the very thing that upsets them. 
You are very manipulative in your arguments for oppressing people.
How is making them unemployed and calling for them to lose their jobs going to help them in any way? Being unemployed is the worst thing you can do for someone&#039;s mental health it will lower their self esteem and mean they meet less people. Banning them from jobs, that they can do, will make them more unhappy, more frustrated as you would be if you were banned for an irrelevant condition. 

Imagine if Bill Gates had been kept from becoming a successful business man. How would that have helped him. Your argument is utterly bizarre. Would he be happier if he had been forced to be unemployed?
If you love such a notion, go on the dole yourself, do not force other people onto the dole under some screwball notion that will help them. 

You want to suppress people with such a condition from succeeding in life, and then claim that is helping them. 

You seem to think that we should make all people with such conditions unemployed and then experiment on them. 
Why? It is as ludicrous as making all black and gay people unemployed and then experimenting on why all of a sudden all black and gay people are unhappy, and frustrated about being banned from top jobs. 
Firing such people and then analyzing why making them unemployed on them will do nothing but kill more of them.
You seem one of these people who read an article, and then comes to opposite conclusion of what the paper was arguing for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lilliput How does firing people from jobs they can do help people, it is a major cause of depression to do that?<br />
One of comments in your link says that one of the men who killed himself was upset at being discriminated against. So your claim is they should be banned from any top job as a result. So your argument to stop them from killing themselves at being discriminated against, is to discriminate them from more jobs.<br />
That is oppressing them and pretending, it is for their own good. And then giving them the very thing that upsets them.<br />
You are very manipulative in your arguments for oppressing people.<br />
How is making them unemployed and calling for them to lose their jobs going to help them in any way? Being unemployed is the worst thing you can do for someone&#8217;s mental health it will lower their self esteem and mean they meet less people. Banning them from jobs, that they can do, will make them more unhappy, more frustrated as you would be if you were banned for an irrelevant condition. </p>
<p>Imagine if Bill Gates had been kept from becoming a successful business man. How would that have helped him. Your argument is utterly bizarre. Would he be happier if he had been forced to be unemployed?<br />
If you love such a notion, go on the dole yourself, do not force other people onto the dole under some screwball notion that will help them. </p>
<p>You want to suppress people with such a condition from succeeding in life, and then claim that is helping them. </p>
<p>You seem to think that we should make all people with such conditions unemployed and then experiment on them.<br />
Why? It is as ludicrous as making all black and gay people unemployed and then experimenting on why all of a sudden all black and gay people are unhappy, and frustrated about being banned from top jobs.<br />
Firing such people and then analyzing why making them unemployed on them will do nothing but kill more of them.<br />
You seem one of these people who read an article, and then comes to opposite conclusion of what the paper was arguing for.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilliput</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63790</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilliput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truther, along with accepting people with aspergers as they are, is it ok with you if we try and find out more about how we can help the be unable to read social cues so they don&#039;t feel like killing themselves because they are so lonely.

http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=239&amp;a=2371

I never said people with Aspergers could not be successful - I just said it needs to be in a field where reaching people on an emotional level isnt a requirement.

Matt - where did you get your degree - online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truther, along with accepting people with aspergers as they are, is it ok with you if we try and find out more about how we can help the be unable to read social cues so they don&#8217;t feel like killing themselves because they are so lonely.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=239&amp;a=2371" rel="nofollow">http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=239&amp;a=2371</a></p>
<p>I never said people with Aspergers could not be successful &#8211; I just said it needs to be in a field where reaching people on an emotional level isnt a requirement.</p>
<p>Matt &#8211; where did you get your degree &#8211; online?</p>
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		<title>By: The truther</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63746</link>
		<dc:creator>The truther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie Penny 
JUST TAKE PEOPLE AS THEY ARE, ACCEPT PEOPLE BEING DIFFERENT, AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT DANGEROUS.  DO NOT JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IF SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT TO YOU, THEY MUST BE BANNED OR &quot;CURED&quot; AS YOU FEEL THEM TO BE A THREAT, OR AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PATHOLOGIE THEM SO YOU CAN MOVE THEM OUT OF THE WAY, TO GET AHEAD OF THEM,. GROW UP, BE TOLERANT AND TRY AND BE NICE. I FIND YOUR ATTITUDE TERRIFYING, AND FASCISTIC. 
I wrote that in capitals just to make sure people noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie Penny<br />
JUST TAKE PEOPLE AS THEY ARE, ACCEPT PEOPLE BEING DIFFERENT, AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT DANGEROUS.  DO NOT JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IF SOMEONE IS DIFFERENT TO YOU, THEY MUST BE BANNED OR &#8220;CURED&#8221; AS YOU FEEL THEM TO BE A THREAT, OR AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PATHOLOGIE THEM SO YOU CAN MOVE THEM OUT OF THE WAY, TO GET AHEAD OF THEM,. GROW UP, BE TOLERANT AND TRY AND BE NICE. I FIND YOUR ATTITUDE TERRIFYING, AND FASCISTIC.<br />
I wrote that in capitals just to make sure people noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63731</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tactfully recommend to all readers an early reading of the Wikipedia entry for (the truly terrifying): Rosenhan experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

There&#039;s a video about the experiment here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRVEVqvmbg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tactfully recommend to all readers an early reading of the Wikipedia entry for (the truly terrifying): Rosenhan experiment<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a video about the experiment here:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRVEVqvmbg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRVEVqvmbg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Brown and the Taboo around Mental Health - Blogs - NewsSpotz</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63715</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Brown and the Taboo around Mental Health - Blogs - NewsSpotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to all this. Namely what this story means for mental health in general in this country. Over at Liberal Conspiracy Laurie Penny argues that - if Brown is indeed on anti-depressants - it is a good thing:My response? Good. Great. If the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to all this. Namely what this story means for mental health in general in this country. Over at Liberal Conspiracy Laurie Penny argues that &#8211; if Brown is indeed on anti-depressants &#8211; it is a good thing:My response? Good. Great. If the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63709</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you want to classify brains as ‘male’ or ‘female’, fair enough – as long as you recognise that very far from all men have what you’d define as a ‘male’ brain, and far from all women have a ‘female’ brain.&quot;

As above, that is exactly the theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you want to classify brains as ‘male’ or ‘female’, fair enough – as long as you recognise that very far from all men have what you’d define as a ‘male’ brain, and far from all women have a ‘female’ brain.&#8221;</p>
<p>As above, that is exactly the theory</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Penny</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63708</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should also be noted that women who display the same symptoms are far more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness such as schizo-affective disorder or borderline personality disorder as opposed to aspergers, and given treatment accordingly. This is partly because, as you&#039;ve demonstrated, aspergers is seen as a &#039;male&#039; disorder which does not need to be treated, and borderline as a &#039;female&#039; disorder, which does.  Just throwing  some facts into the mix :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should also be noted that women who display the same symptoms are far more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness such as schizo-affective disorder or borderline personality disorder as opposed to aspergers, and given treatment accordingly. This is partly because, as you&#8217;ve demonstrated, aspergers is seen as a &#8216;male&#8217; disorder which does not need to be treated, and borderline as a &#8216;female&#8217; disorder, which does.  Just throwing  some facts into the mix <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Penny</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63706</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But then, how do you guys explain the fact that so many women, too, have aspergers and/or autism? [I meet those criteria, and I was a lady last time I looked].

If you want to classify brains as &#039;male&#039; or &#039;female&#039;, fair enough - as long as you recognise that very far from all men have what you&#039;d define as a &#039;male&#039; brain, and far from all women have a &#039;female&#039; brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But then, how do you guys explain the fact that so many women, too, have aspergers and/or autism? [I meet those criteria, and I was a lady last time I looked].</p>
<p>If you want to classify brains as &#8216;male&#8217; or &#8216;female&#8217;, fair enough &#8211; as long as you recognise that very far from all men have what you&#8217;d define as a &#8216;male&#8217; brain, and far from all women have a &#8216;female&#8217; brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63705</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  64 I&#039;m not confusing them, you are.  As I said &quot;typical&quot; is irrelevant, it&#039;s at one end of a continnum of behaviours which overlap between by men and women and are exhibited, to varying degrees by both men and women..  
And being  &quot;unable to interpret facial expressions and body language&quot; is common to many forms of mental illness, incluing schitzophrenia (for which it&#039;s one of the defining characterstics).  As I said Aspergers has no agreed, discrete set of criteria and no agreed treatment.  It is therefore not a mental illness.
@ 66 Why would I reject it.  It&#039;s what I said just with a bit of added sanctomony (as usual)  and some biology.  It doesn&#039;t go down well on LC because it is evidence of (shock horror) innate differemce between men and women.  I still maintain that it&#039;s use in an early educational setting is a way of marginliasing male abilities but I wouldn&#039;t expect anyone here to agree with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  64 I&#8217;m not confusing them, you are.  As I said &#8220;typical&#8221; is irrelevant, it&#8217;s at one end of a continnum of behaviours which overlap between by men and women and are exhibited, to varying degrees by both men and women..<br />
And being  &#8220;unable to interpret facial expressions and body language&#8221; is common to many forms of mental illness, incluing schitzophrenia (for which it&#8217;s one of the defining characterstics).  As I said Aspergers has no agreed, discrete set of criteria and no agreed treatment.  It is therefore not a mental illness.<br />
@ 66 Why would I reject it.  It&#8217;s what I said just with a bit of added sanctomony (as usual)  and some biology.  It doesn&#8217;t go down well on LC because it is evidence of (shock horror) innate differemce between men and women.  I still maintain that it&#8217;s use in an early educational setting is a way of marginliasing male abilities but I wouldn&#8217;t expect anyone here to agree with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63704</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Being male is now a syndrome&quot;

No, that&#039;s not quite the way it works.

&quot;Brains are organised on a male/female continuum&quot;

Not even quite that. SBC has noted that the human brain seems to run along a continuum from systemizing to empathizing. We tend to regard systemizing behaviour as male and empathizing as female and thus the use of &quot;male brain&quot; etc. It&#039;s also true that the distribution seems to show more men with the systemizing brain type than the empathizing.

No, this isn&#039;t simply a social construct (although the use of &quot;male brain&quot; as a description may be) for we can actually see differences in the average male and average female brain. And when we look at those who are atypical (say, a highly systemising female) we see the same brain structures as other systemizers, not the same brain structures as empathizers whether male or female.

The mechanism in development is thought to be the bolus of testosterone that male fetus&#039; get and female don&#039;t: or rather, don&#039;t normally but if they do will develop the systemizing brain type. And if a male fetus doesn&#039;t get that bolus at the right time then it too will develop the empathizing.

Autism (and the lesser cousin, Aspie&#039;s) is, in this scenario, an extreme form of the systemizing brain.&quot;Extreme male&quot; if you prefer. Note that this can occur in either sex but is much more common in males. There are also &quot;extreme female&quot; types but this is very much less common (probably something to do with XX being more robust than XY).

Sure, you can reject all of this if you wish but that&#039;s roughly the outline that our leading autism researcher thinks it all is about.

I hesitate to do this as I write there for money (I know, filthy lucre!) but there&#039;s a set of SBC&#039;s tests if anyone&#039;s interested in where on the spectrum they might be.

http://eqsq.com/eq-sq-tests/

Note that the important numbers are not the absolute levels you get, but the difference between S and E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Being male is now a syndrome&#8221;</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not quite the way it works.</p>
<p>&#8220;Brains are organised on a male/female continuum&#8221;</p>
<p>Not even quite that. SBC has noted that the human brain seems to run along a continuum from systemizing to empathizing. We tend to regard systemizing behaviour as male and empathizing as female and thus the use of &#8220;male brain&#8221; etc. It&#8217;s also true that the distribution seems to show more men with the systemizing brain type than the empathizing.</p>
<p>No, this isn&#8217;t simply a social construct (although the use of &#8220;male brain&#8221; as a description may be) for we can actually see differences in the average male and average female brain. And when we look at those who are atypical (say, a highly systemising female) we see the same brain structures as other systemizers, not the same brain structures as empathizers whether male or female.</p>
<p>The mechanism in development is thought to be the bolus of testosterone that male fetus&#8217; get and female don&#8217;t: or rather, don&#8217;t normally but if they do will develop the systemizing brain type. And if a male fetus doesn&#8217;t get that bolus at the right time then it too will develop the empathizing.</p>
<p>Autism (and the lesser cousin, Aspie&#8217;s) is, in this scenario, an extreme form of the systemizing brain.&#8221;Extreme male&#8221; if you prefer. Note that this can occur in either sex but is much more common in males. There are also &#8220;extreme female&#8221; types but this is very much less common (probably something to do with XX being more robust than XY).</p>
<p>Sure, you can reject all of this if you wish but that&#8217;s roughly the outline that our leading autism researcher thinks it all is about.</p>
<p>I hesitate to do this as I write there for money (I know, filthy lucre!) but there&#8217;s a set of SBC&#8217;s tests if anyone&#8217;s interested in where on the spectrum they might be.</p>
<p><a href="http://eqsq.com/eq-sq-tests/" rel="nofollow">http://eqsq.com/eq-sq-tests/</a></p>
<p>Note that the important numbers are not the absolute levels you get, but the difference between S and E.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63701</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@ 59 No Neil, I have a psychology degree (a proper BSc, not the feminised BA) and have probably forgotten more about neuroscience than you will ever know.&quot;

Well congratulations, but could you answer the question I actually asked?

On second thoughts, don&#039;t bother - I think we can all see where you&#039;re coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@ 59 No Neil, I have a psychology degree (a proper BSc, not the feminised BA) and have probably forgotten more about neuroscience than you will ever know.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well congratulations, but could you answer the question I actually asked?</p>
<p>On second thoughts, don&#8217;t bother &#8211; I think we can all see where you&#8217;re coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63698</link>
		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“Aspergers” = you are a bloke with a blokes brain&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Funny, because I know plenty of blokes who clearly don&#039;t have Aspergers. I also know some blokes who do. Yes, you could describe Aspergers as &quot;indicative of a brain organisation at the &lt;b&gt;far&lt;/b&gt; male end of that scale&quot;, but you then seem to be confusing &quot;extreme&quot; with &quot;typical&quot;, or even &quot;universal&quot;. People who suffer the most severe form of Aspergers are almost completely unable to interpret facial expressions and body language - surely you don&#039;t think that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;typical&lt;/i&gt; of men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Aspergers” = you are a bloke with a blokes brain</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny, because I know plenty of blokes who clearly don&#8217;t have Aspergers. I also know some blokes who do. Yes, you could describe Aspergers as &#8220;indicative of a brain organisation at the <b>far</b> male end of that scale&#8221;, but you then seem to be confusing &#8220;extreme&#8221; with &#8220;typical&#8221;, or even &#8220;universal&#8221;. People who suffer the most severe form of Aspergers are almost completely unable to interpret facial expressions and body language &#8211; surely you don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s <i>typical</i> of men?</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I don&#039;t like football or eat pies so I don&#039;t meet the full diagnostic criteria for being a bloke.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly  &quot;Aspergers&quot; = you are a bloke with a blokes brain.  Being male is now a syndrome.  Imagine the fuss if someone tried to turn &quot;spends all day chatting&quot; into a syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly  &#8220;Aspergers&#8221; = you are a bloke with a blokes brain.  Being male is now a syndrome.  Imagine the fuss if someone tried to turn &#8220;spends all day chatting&#8221; into a syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63694</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meet all those diagnostic criteria for Asperger&#039;s, and I don&#039;t have Asperger&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meet all those diagnostic criteria for Asperger&#8217;s, and I don&#8217;t have Asperger&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63692</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  55 Brains are organised on a male/female continuum.  In laymens terms people at the female end tend to emaphise more, people at the male end to systematise more (which is why women tend to be worse at reading maps than men,  but better at reading people, and vice versa)  &quot;Aspergers&quot; is indicative of a brain organisation at the far male end of that scale.  
As someone has cited above, Mr BC is one of the worlds leading authorities and would disagree with you.

@  59 No Neil, I have a psychology degree (a proper BSc, not the feminised BA) and have probably forgotten more about neuroscience than you will ever know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  55 Brains are organised on a male/female continuum.  In laymens terms people at the female end tend to emaphise more, people at the male end to systematise more (which is why women tend to be worse at reading maps than men,  but better at reading people, and vice versa)  &#8220;Aspergers&#8221; is indicative of a brain organisation at the far male end of that scale.<br />
As someone has cited above, Mr BC is one of the worlds leading authorities and would disagree with you.</p>
<p>@  59 No Neil, I have a psychology degree (a proper BSc, not the feminised BA) and have probably forgotten more about neuroscience than you will ever know.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63689</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt Munro - do you strive to come up with these ridiculous conspiracy theories, or does it come naturally?</description>
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		<title>By: Dunc</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63687</link>
		<dc:creator>Dunc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inlv.demon.nl/irc.asperger/dsmasp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Diagnostic Criteria for Asperger Syndrome&lt;/a&gt;.

Are Matt and &quot;The Truther&quot; saying that these criteria apply to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; men?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.inlv.demon.nl/irc.asperger/dsmasp.html" rel="nofollow">Diagnostic Criteria for Asperger Syndrome</a>.</p>
<p>Are Matt and &#8220;The Truther&#8221; saying that these criteria apply to <i>all</i> men?</p>
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		<title>By: The Truther</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63684</link>
		<dc:creator>The Truther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt I agree. Also i have just looked at a list of famous people with aspergers it has Bill gates is on it. So should Bill Gates have been banned from working under their logic. I think men and women can run countries. But as you say alot of the talk about aspergers is just a way of putting a different sort of person down. I would be against dismirimation of women and men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt I agree. Also i have just looked at a list of famous people with aspergers it has Bill gates is on it. So should Bill Gates have been banned from working under their logic. I think men and women can run countries. But as you say alot of the talk about aspergers is just a way of putting a different sort of person down. I would be against dismirimation of women and men.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63683</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Aspergers is not about having a ‘male brain’. For fuck’s sake.&quot;

Simon Baron Cohen, the leading autism researcher in hte country, would disagree with you their I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aspergers is not about having a ‘male brain’. For fuck’s sake.&#8221;</p>
<p>Simon Baron Cohen, the leading autism researcher in hte country, would disagree with you their I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Penny</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63681</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52 - neither do you. Aspergers is not about having a &#039;male brain&#039;. For fuck&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@52 &#8211; neither do you. Aspergers is not about having a &#8216;male brain&#8217;. For fuck&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63676</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  52 You&#039;re absolutely right.  Aspergers is a myth.  It&#039;s a label given by (usually female) teachers to male children to &quot;explain&quot; the fact that they prefer not to spend all day emoting and empathising.  
In adulthood it&#039;s a means of marinalising men whose brains are one end of the male/female configuration scale and consequently excel at systmatising whilst being less good at the &quot;social skills&quot; that are apparently so crucial to modern existence.  Aspergers, like all Autistic spectrum disorders, is simply a trendy label which has no agreed clinical diagnosis and no agreed treatment, in other words it doesn&#039;t exist except in the minds of feminist educationalists and psychologists who use it to try and make intelligent men seem inadequate in some arbitrary way.  Einstenin would now be judged to have Aspergers, but it didn&#039;t seem to do him any harm did it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  52 You&#8217;re absolutely right.  Aspergers is a myth.  It&#8217;s a label given by (usually female) teachers to male children to &#8220;explain&#8221; the fact that they prefer not to spend all day emoting and empathising.<br />
In adulthood it&#8217;s a means of marinalising men whose brains are one end of the male/female configuration scale and consequently excel at systmatising whilst being less good at the &#8220;social skills&#8221; that are apparently so crucial to modern existence.  Aspergers, like all Autistic spectrum disorders, is simply a trendy label which has no agreed clinical diagnosis and no agreed treatment, in other words it doesn&#8217;t exist except in the minds of feminist educationalists and psychologists who use it to try and make intelligent men seem inadequate in some arbitrary way.  Einstenin would now be judged to have Aspergers, but it didn&#8217;t seem to do him any harm did it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Niqi</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/10/creating-the-prime-mentalist/#comment-63675</link>
		<dc:creator>Niqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, the focus on whether Brown is or is not suffering from depression and whether this might affect his ability to lead (which has been going swimmingly so far..) is mere political points scoring.

The only interesting point is that it brings into focus our general tabloidesque shock and horror at the idea of people not being &quot;normal&quot; - especially the man on the front page of our newspapers every day.  Yeah, mental health issues can affect your job performance - so can having a cold, children, a bad day, a tendency to bore people to death or a Cliff Richard fixation...  People are multifaceted and unfixed - there is no single tick box that can tell us if we&#039;re &quot;capable&quot; or not, or likely to be in a couple of days time.

Mr Brown can be decried for a multitude of sins - by limiting the field to his mental health, think of all the fun we&#039;re missing out on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, the focus on whether Brown is or is not suffering from depression and whether this might affect his ability to lead (which has been going swimmingly so far..) is mere political points scoring.</p>
<p>The only interesting point is that it brings into focus our general tabloidesque shock and horror at the idea of people not being &#8220;normal&#8221; &#8211; especially the man on the front page of our newspapers every day.  Yeah, mental health issues can affect your job performance &#8211; so can having a cold, children, a bad day, a tendency to bore people to death or a Cliff Richard fixation&#8230;  People are multifaceted and unfixed &#8211; there is no single tick box that can tell us if we&#8217;re &#8220;capable&#8221; or not, or likely to be in a couple of days time.</p>
<p>Mr Brown can be decried for a multitude of sins &#8211; by limiting the field to his mental health, think of all the fun we&#8217;re missing out on.</p>
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