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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-62229</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RSP:

Fuck off you terrible, useless troll.</description>
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<p>Fuck off you terrible, useless troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-62134</link>
		<dc:creator>Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13. binky:

&quot;Formerly CND and YCL and for some years a Labour Councillor in Lancaster...&quot;

Well you make your point well. There&#039;s certainly NEVER been any recorded instance of a Socialist activist becoming a leading light in ANY far right movement, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini

&quot;...but too dreadfully snooty to be a BNP member.&quot;

Another EXCELLENT point. There&#039;s certainly NEVER been any recorded instance of a Socialist activist becoming a leading light in any far right movement, while also being a &quot;dreadfully snooty&quot; posho. Am I right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_mosley

And - just out of interest - how did your you and your YCL comrades deal with your class snobbishness?

You are so full of shit, I&#039;m guessing your toothbrush is stained browner than your shirts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13. binky:</p>
<p>&#8220;Formerly CND and YCL and for some years a Labour Councillor in Lancaster&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well you make your point well. There&#8217;s certainly NEVER been any recorded instance of a Socialist activist becoming a leading light in ANY far right movement, no?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but too dreadfully snooty to be a BNP member.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another EXCELLENT point. There&#8217;s certainly NEVER been any recorded instance of a Socialist activist becoming a leading light in any far right movement, while also being a &#8220;dreadfully snooty&#8221; posho. Am I right?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_mosley" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_mosley</a></p>
<p>And &#8211; just out of interest &#8211; how did your you and your YCL comrades deal with your class snobbishness?</p>
<p>You are so full of shit, I&#8217;m guessing your toothbrush is stained browner than your shirts.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel.waweru</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-62118</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel.waweru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killingworth,

&lt;blockquote&gt;And I would ask you one question. In what sense would the world’s black and brown people be worse off (apart, of course, from a quisling élite in “western” countries like Mr Khan from the golf club) if all the white people died off in the night?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dear me. It really hasn&#039;t occurred to you that we non-white folk might recognise the intrinsic value of white folk, has it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killingworth,</p>
<blockquote><p>And I would ask you one question. In what sense would the world’s black and brown people be worse off (apart, of course, from a quisling élite in “western” countries like Mr Khan from the golf club) if all the white people died off in the night?</p></blockquote>
<p>Dear me. It really hasn&#8217;t occurred to you that we non-white folk might recognise the intrinsic value of white folk, has it?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61962</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Numerous IPs one can only guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numerous IPs one can only guess.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61958</link>
		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I think we&#039;re definitely proving that LC needs more, more active moderators. I for one volunteer for the power of being able to ban Binky&#039;s IP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I think we&#8217;re definitely proving that LC needs more, more active moderators. I for one volunteer for the power of being able to ban Binky&#8217;s IP!</p>
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		<title>By: xrayman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61864</link>
		<dc:creator>xrayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64,
that is a israeli website propaganda against iran, nothing else. 
how many sane people will believe this sort of trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64,<br />
that is a israeli website propaganda against iran, nothing else.<br />
how many sane people will believe this sort of trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61861</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what is more disgusting, your racism or the fact you refuse to face up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what is more disgusting, your racism or the fact you refuse to face up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61840</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Claude!</description>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy Leave me and my potential babies alone &#124; All Things Babies</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61838</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy Leave me and my potential babies alone &#124; All Things Babies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conspiracy Leave me and my potential babies alone    September 03rd, 2009   This chap added an interesting post today on Liberal Conspiracy Leave me and my potential babies [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61835</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarice,

Just because rape is more prevalent in one country than another (and as others have pointed out, Africa shouldn&#039;t be treated as a homogenous mass any more than Europe should - probably less so) doesn&#039;t necessarily mean the people who migrate from that country are more likely to rape in the future. Unless the stats have changed since last I checked, recent migrants commit per person less crimes of all kinds except specific immigration offences, than the &quot;host&quot; population of the UK do.

Even if I accepted your argument, the logical consequence would be that to assuage your fears you would never travel to a less safe country (or even city within the UK) on holiday, because that would increase the statistical likelihood of being raped. Do you mind me asking if you&#039;ve ever been on holiday to a city or country where more rapes are carried out than the one you currently live in?

Regardless of all that, it&#039;s tenuous to argue that binky separates culture and race in the way your argument does. It&#039;s pretty clear from his first comment that he doesn&#039;t, and it&#039;s even clearer from his later comments. After being chastised for producing a bnp link (which frankly I&#039;m surprised hasn&#039;t been removed) he provided a link to an American white separatist organisation - presumably he hoped less people would know who they are. Whatever organisation binky is in, he&#039;s a nasty piece of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarice,</p>
<p>Just because rape is more prevalent in one country than another (and as others have pointed out, Africa shouldn&#8217;t be treated as a homogenous mass any more than Europe should &#8211; probably less so) doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean the people who migrate from that country are more likely to rape in the future. Unless the stats have changed since last I checked, recent migrants commit per person less crimes of all kinds except specific immigration offences, than the &#8220;host&#8221; population of the UK do.</p>
<p>Even if I accepted your argument, the logical consequence would be that to assuage your fears you would never travel to a less safe country (or even city within the UK) on holiday, because that would increase the statistical likelihood of being raped. Do you mind me asking if you&#8217;ve ever been on holiday to a city or country where more rapes are carried out than the one you currently live in?</p>
<p>Regardless of all that, it&#8217;s tenuous to argue that binky separates culture and race in the way your argument does. It&#8217;s pretty clear from his first comment that he doesn&#8217;t, and it&#8217;s even clearer from his later comments. After being chastised for producing a bnp link (which frankly I&#8217;m surprised hasn&#8217;t been removed) he provided a link to an American white separatist organisation &#8211; presumably he hoped less people would know who they are. Whatever organisation binky is in, he&#8217;s a nasty piece of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Claude</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61834</link>
		<dc:creator>Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said elsewhere, can I kindly ask for the moderators to stop this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said elsewhere, can I kindly ask for the moderators to stop this?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61832</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yet more racist nonsense, is their no limits to binky&#039;s ridiculous spewings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yet more racist nonsense, is their no limits to binky&#8217;s ridiculous spewings?</p>
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		<title>By: Donut Hinge Party</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61823</link>
		<dc:creator>Donut Hinge Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the difference is that MIGRATIONWATCH is chaired by a man who actually has a fucking clue what he&#039;s talking about.

&quot;Green was educated at Haileybury College, then a boys&#039; boarding school (now co-educational) near Hertford in Hertfordshire, and at Magdalene, Cambridge where he read Arabic.[1] He served with the Royal Green Jackets between 1962-1965 and joined HM Diplomatic Service in 1965, where he worked for 35 years, spending half his career in the Middle East where he served in six posts. The remainder of his service was divided between London, Paris, and Washington DC. He was Ambassador to Syria (1991-94) and then Director for the Middle East in the Foreign Office, before finally serving for four and a half years as Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. He retired in June 2000.

Since retiring, Green has devoted his time to voluntary work. He is a former Chairman of Medical Aid for Palestinians, a British charity seeking to improve health care for Palestinians both in Palestine and the diaspora in refugee camps. He is a member of the Advisory Board of the Sudan Peace Building Programme, working to rebuild relationships in that war-torn country, and is on the board of Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a human rights organisation which speaks for Christians and others around the world who are suffering persecution for their religious beliefs. He is regularly interviewed on British television and radio as a voice opposed to high levels of immigration, in his role as the founding chairman of Migration Watch.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the difference is that MIGRATIONWATCH is chaired by a man who actually has a fucking clue what he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
<p>&#8220;Green was educated at Haileybury College, then a boys&#8217; boarding school (now co-educational) near Hertford in Hertfordshire, and at Magdalene, Cambridge where he read Arabic.[1] He served with the Royal Green Jackets between 1962-1965 and joined HM Diplomatic Service in 1965, where he worked for 35 years, spending half his career in the Middle East where he served in six posts. The remainder of his service was divided between London, Paris, and Washington DC. He was Ambassador to Syria (1991-94) and then Director for the Middle East in the Foreign Office, before finally serving for four and a half years as Ambassador to Saudi Arabia. He retired in June 2000.</p>
<p>Since retiring, Green has devoted his time to voluntary work. He is a former Chairman of Medical Aid for Palestinians, a British charity seeking to improve health care for Palestinians both in Palestine and the diaspora in refugee camps. He is a member of the Advisory Board of the Sudan Peace Building Programme, working to rebuild relationships in that war-torn country, and is on the board of Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a human rights organisation which speaks for Christians and others around the world who are suffering persecution for their religious beliefs. He is regularly interviewed on British television and radio as a voice opposed to high levels of immigration, in his role as the founding chairman of Migration Watch.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Donut Hinge Party</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61821</link>
		<dc:creator>Donut Hinge Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d talk to them, but I&#039;m worried about them craving my flesh.

&quot;All my life I&#039;ve wanted one thing - the flesh of a white woman!&quot;

/Soul Man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d talk to them, but I&#8217;m worried about them craving my flesh.</p>
<p>&#8220;All my life I&#8217;ve wanted one thing &#8211; the flesh of a white woman!&#8221;</p>
<p>/Soul Man</p>
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		<title>By: xrayman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61820</link>
		<dc:creator>xrayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>54-
And who was happy to buy them. 
All black men are rapists, slavery was promoted by africans and you say you are not racist.
hmmmm food for thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>54-<br />
And who was happy to buy them.<br />
All black men are rapists, slavery was promoted by africans and you say you are not racist.<br />
hmmmm food for thought</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61813</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BNP don&#039;t own the idea of racism, so you are one but that doesn&#039;t make you a BNP supporter, it just makes you a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BNP don&#8217;t own the idea of racism, so you are one but that doesn&#8217;t make you a BNP supporter, it just makes you a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: xrayman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61809</link>
		<dc:creator>xrayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>binky, now don&#039;t try to justify whole slave trade because there were few people in africa who wanted it to continue.
i am sorry if i touched something very sensitive (slavery) here, but it is not a generalization in present time, it was in past. but i think there is some residue left and binky i am afraid fits the description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>binky, now don&#8217;t try to justify whole slave trade because there were few people in africa who wanted it to continue.<br />
i am sorry if i touched something very sensitive (slavery) here, but it is not a generalization in present time, it was in past. but i think there is some residue left and binky i am afraid fits the description.</p>
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		<title>By: Donut Hinge Party</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61804</link>
		<dc:creator>Donut Hinge Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morocco? Really? You pick the most Westernised liberal state in North Africa to sling your arrows at?

I&#039;ve got two brothers-in-law, both Moroccans (well one&#039;s Berber, but it&#039;s close enough) and you&#039;d be hard pushed to find nicer guys.

Still, nice to see the BNP looking out for gay rights for a change - I knew all those tight tops and shaven heads would rub off on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morocco? Really? You pick the most Westernised liberal state in North Africa to sling your arrows at?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got two brothers-in-law, both Moroccans (well one&#8217;s Berber, but it&#8217;s close enough) and you&#8217;d be hard pushed to find nicer guys.</p>
<p>Still, nice to see the BNP looking out for gay rights for a change &#8211; I knew all those tight tops and shaven heads would rub off on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61798</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, even more confirmation of the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, even more confirmation of the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61795</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Binky, you&#039;re a racist twat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Binky, you&#8217;re a racist twat.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61793</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like you DHP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like you DHP</p>
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		<title>By: Donut Hinge Party</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61792</link>
		<dc:creator>Donut Hinge Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the Finns and Danes that I&#039;m worried about. After all, they have a culture of coming over here, killing our monks, raping our nuns, and believing that unless they die in battle then they&#039;ll go to hell.

Oh, wait, that was a long time ago.

In actual fact the &#039;culture&#039; of Somalis is Sunni Islam which states categorically that if anyone rapes (or willingly fornicates) then they get stoned to death. If anyone&#039;s going liberally interpret that, it&#039;s not going to come down on the side of &quot;Well, a little bit of rape&#039;s okay, in moderation&quot; That&#039;s pretty clear to me. 

Culture be damned, this man was just a cunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the Finns and Danes that I&#8217;m worried about. After all, they have a culture of coming over here, killing our monks, raping our nuns, and believing that unless they die in battle then they&#8217;ll go to hell.</p>
<p>Oh, wait, that was a long time ago.</p>
<p>In actual fact the &#8216;culture&#8217; of Somalis is Sunni Islam which states categorically that if anyone rapes (or willingly fornicates) then they get stoned to death. If anyone&#8217;s going liberally interpret that, it&#8217;s not going to come down on the side of &#8220;Well, a little bit of rape&#8217;s okay, in moderation&#8221; That&#8217;s pretty clear to me. </p>
<p>Culture be damned, this man was just a cunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Hoffmann-Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is clarice, the idiot who started this line of attack (binky) links to the BNP and a white supremacist website, so you&#039;ll forgive some of us for presuming an air of white is right thinking is going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is clarice, the idiot who started this line of attack (binky) links to the BNP and a white supremacist website, so you&#8217;ll forgive some of us for presuming an air of white is right thinking is going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarice</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61789</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28, no that isn&#039;t right.  What it&#039;s saying is that there&#039;s something about the &lt;i&gt;culture&lt;/i&gt; that makes them want to rape women. I really don&#039;t know where you&#039;re getting the genetic thing from.  I think you&#039;re putting words in people&#039;s mouths, as well as presuming that anyone with any understanding at all of behavioural genetics would be so stupid as to put forward such a patently unsubstaniable argument.

It&#039;s basic psychology, based on what is known as the Availability Heuristic (cf  Daniel Kahneman) and a thing called Counter-Factual Thinking.  When something unpleasant happens, how upset we feel about it, and how we reason about it causally, depends upon how easy it is to think of a counter-factual alternative where that thing wouldn&#039;t have happened. For eg, a car accident where the driver had taken an different route to usual is more upsetting than one where s/he took the route they use every day. 

While white, or culturally indiginous people may well rape and mutliate people&#039;s genitals, British culture doesn&#039;t have a recent history of ritualised FGM enshrined in our culture.  (I&#039;m glossing over for a minute the use of &quot;chastity belts&quot; back in the day, though even that was never sold as being a modification that was beneficial to the woman).

On the middle-aged white men and Catholic priest examples, people in those places where such views are held are probably quite wise to be cautious of such people, for the sake of their own protection and that of their children.  There are two aspects to risk, you see: an event&#039;s probability (which may be low) and its cost (which may be high, as in the rape/FGM example cited).  I don&#039;t mind a high risk of having my handbag nicked, but I do mind even a very low risk of having my clitoris forcibly removed for other people&#039;s gratification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28, no that isn&#8217;t right.  What it&#8217;s saying is that there&#8217;s something about the <i>culture</i> that makes them want to rape women. I really don&#8217;t know where you&#8217;re getting the genetic thing from.  I think you&#8217;re putting words in people&#8217;s mouths, as well as presuming that anyone with any understanding at all of behavioural genetics would be so stupid as to put forward such a patently unsubstaniable argument.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s basic psychology, based on what is known as the Availability Heuristic (cf  Daniel Kahneman) and a thing called Counter-Factual Thinking.  When something unpleasant happens, how upset we feel about it, and how we reason about it causally, depends upon how easy it is to think of a counter-factual alternative where that thing wouldn&#8217;t have happened. For eg, a car accident where the driver had taken an different route to usual is more upsetting than one where s/he took the route they use every day. </p>
<p>While white, or culturally indiginous people may well rape and mutliate people&#8217;s genitals, British culture doesn&#8217;t have a recent history of ritualised FGM enshrined in our culture.  (I&#8217;m glossing over for a minute the use of &#8220;chastity belts&#8221; back in the day, though even that was never sold as being a modification that was beneficial to the woman).</p>
<p>On the middle-aged white men and Catholic priest examples, people in those places where such views are held are probably quite wise to be cautious of such people, for the sake of their own protection and that of their children.  There are two aspects to risk, you see: an event&#8217;s probability (which may be low) and its cost (which may be high, as in the rape/FGM example cited).  I don&#8217;t mind a high risk of having my handbag nicked, but I do mind even a very low risk of having my clitoris forcibly removed for other people&#8217;s gratification.</p>
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		<title>By: misc.</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/09/02/leave-me-and-my-potential-babies-alone/#comment-61786</link>
		<dc:creator>misc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny@28

This is generally going away from the point of the post, but I&#039;m not sure about the logic in that. The issue with the Catholic clergy too often becomes the source of inappropriate jokes, but without knowing the detailed statistics for the frequency of child abusers in the general population as opposed to amongst the Catholic clergy, if it is true that there have been a disproportionately high number of cases then the logic behind this wouldn&#039;t be that all white middle-aged men or all Catholic priests would be guilty to a certain extent, but there might be a hypothesis that the Catholic Church tended to be a temptation for repressed young men with sexually deviant tendencies to assume and abuse positions of trust and authority. A cultural problem of a certain era which has since been addressed following the willingness of people to speak out and the safeguards that have been put in place. Don&#039;t you think that if statistics reveal that some cultures (and I&#039;m talking about cultures and not races here) have greater problems with misogyny as with child abuse then looking at cases, as part of those statistics, is relevant and would not be simply using examples of crimes to make it into a wider racial / cultural paranoia and then stir up hatred?</description>
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<p>This is generally going away from the point of the post, but I&#8217;m not sure about the logic in that. The issue with the Catholic clergy too often becomes the source of inappropriate jokes, but without knowing the detailed statistics for the frequency of child abusers in the general population as opposed to amongst the Catholic clergy, if it is true that there have been a disproportionately high number of cases then the logic behind this wouldn&#8217;t be that all white middle-aged men or all Catholic priests would be guilty to a certain extent, but there might be a hypothesis that the Catholic Church tended to be a temptation for repressed young men with sexually deviant tendencies to assume and abuse positions of trust and authority. A cultural problem of a certain era which has since been addressed following the willingness of people to speak out and the safeguards that have been put in place. Don&#8217;t you think that if statistics reveal that some cultures (and I&#8217;m talking about cultures and not races here) have greater problems with misogyny as with child abuse then looking at cases, as part of those statistics, is relevant and would not be simply using examples of crimes to make it into a wider racial / cultural paranoia and then stir up hatred?</p>
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