Real face of the BNP ‘family festival’ exposed


11:47 am - August 24th 2009

by stroppybird    


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Yeah I know its the News of The World, but they have done an undercover expose of the real nature of the ‘family’ Red White and Blue festival.

Demos against the BNP event are good, but the numbers won’t match those that voted for them . What is needed is to take apart their arguments, policies and expose what they really stand for and seems like the NOTW has done a good job of that last element.

It’s not enough to shout racist, we need to argue why they are wrong to blame immigrants for a lack of decent social housing and jobs if we are to counter their hate filled message.

Although I’m saying its good the NOTW has exposed this, I’m in not in anyway saying the Murdoch press are on our side, but lets use what they have discovered in our arguments and campaigns.

Pop over to read in full, but its pretty stomach churning:

For £1 a go, people were throwing wet sponges at a man in a Barack Obama mask locked in stocks.

Elsewhere stalls were selling T-shirts with slogans like It’s A White Thing and books such as Race, Evolution and Behavior – which insists whites give birth to larger-brained babies and blacks are prone to crime.

Supporters gave Nazi-style salutes and shouted Sieg Heil.

But the most sickening bit was :

…local council candidates John Coombes, of Maidenhead, Berks, and Dick Hamilton of Marlow, Bucks, were sitting with others around a brazier.

Hamilton’s ghettoblaster blared out songs supporting Hitler and attacking “ni**ers”.

Then began the “trial” led by Coombes, 45.

A 12-year-old girl there with her dad (we are protecting her identity) held a golly called Winston over the fire as Coombes “charged” him with “mugging, rape, drug dealing”.

He sneered: “Right Winston, you’re about to get cooked. Anything else to say?

“Says he ain’t a drug dealer. He thinks he’s not black. He’s charged with being black. Now get on there.”

Skinhead Hamilton chipped in: “If he jumps off he’s innocent.” Coombes went on: “He’s guilty, guilty as charged.

“Let’s get a real one – in the town we’ll find one or two. They’ll also be guilty of the heinous crimes I charged him with – may God forgive your horrible soul.” Coombes repeated the charges then added: “He may have appeared innocent to you lot but I’m sure he done lots of things wrong.”

Much as I dislike the NOTW, the reality is I’d much rather this was in their paper than a leftie one due the the numbers who will read it .

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Well maybe, but then again NOTW does allow comment pieces which are indistinguishable from BNP election leaflets:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columnists/carolemalone/420633/Irsquoll-give-you-a-real-benefits-sob-story-Carole-Malone.html

So…

It isn’t just the racists policies which are dangerous, it is the core ideology itself, it is so appealing to the many unemployed young white men who have no reason to get-up each day and where they do not fit-in to our aspirational, materialistic society.
From being the bottom of the pile, devalued by society, this ideology promotes them to the top, is it any wonder it becomes attractive to that group?
They do not need any rational or testable political arguments, they do not need to debate, not in this current economic and social climate.

I agree – this expose would have much bigger impact than the UAF counter-demonstration… They should try and get more of their people to infiltrate the BNP than just doing demonstrations.

Re 2 – I think the polling and other research evidence we have tends to show that the BNP’s appeal isn’t mainly to unemployed young men. Their vote is more concentrated among the “upper working class” – manual workers with low levels of formal education but in decent-ish jobs or self-employed. It’s the skilled factory workers, builders, white van man rather than unemployed or unskilled workers. They also tend to be more middle aged than younger.

It’s not that they’re at the bottom of the heap – in so far as it’s being driven by economics, it seems to be more that they’re one or two rungs up the ladder but fear being dragged back down.

4 I apologise if my post suggested that the BNP only appealled to young white males, this is not what I meant. Of course they appeal to others, but young unemployed white males, who probably have never had a job, or got onto the rung of the ladder- ie they are precluded from our aspirational culture, are seduced by the .status’ that ‘white superiority’ gives them They have no perception of dropping down the ladder as they are not on it.

6. Shatterface

‘For £1 a go, people were throwing wet sponges at a man in a Barack Obama mask locked in stocks.’

I hear John Pilger barged to the front of the queue.

‘They should try and get more of their people to infiltrate the BNP than just doing demonstrations.’

Um Sunny I think this happened quite a bit in the 70s – but I gather that in several instances the infiltrators went native. I think it was mainly SWP people going into the NF and vice versa – something in each called to the other, and this is a little-explored phenomenon.

Certainly one hears of instances of Respect Party Trots being able to sit through iffy diatribes against ‘zionists’ and their secret powers.

I suggest you read Malcolm Muggeridge;s account of tryiug to find out which of his double agents were really working for us.

Not aware that NOTW had done a piece on this so thanks for the flag.

Mark

Please tell me your comment @ 9 was a spoof?

Oh and nice to see Edwin Moore try and connect left-wingers with right-wingers in a handy anecdotal passage of tosh.

I just love BNP threads as they bring all the loons out of the wood work…

*peruses 9 and 10*

Well, this should be fun…

I just like it when we get the standard ‘yeah, well, what about the LibLabCon parties eh?’ bit of tosh whenever the Beeners are caught doing what Beeners do.

Is that the best defence possible?

@Mark:

“The International corporate, banking elite’s plan is to create a slave labour force of dumbed down serfs, working isn’t it?”

Is that the same International elite the BNP used to say was controlled by the Jews?

They don’t any more. Not out loud, at least – but then they don’t go about burning effigies and making jokes about burning black people in public either.

Check out Lee John Barnes’ “explanation” of this girl’s behaviour over at Harry’s Place – it is breathtaking (and not in a nice way):

Harry’s Place » “The BNP Is Not Racist”

I’ve deleted comments by Mark, so I’m afraid things will look a bit wierd to new readers. His comments clearly violated the policy.

‘Oh and nice to see Edwin Moore try and connect left-wingers with right-wingers in a handy anecdotal passage of tosh.

I just love BNP threads as they bring all the loons out of the wood work…’

Thank you Daniel – nice to be insulted by someone who uses his (or her) real name!

re your first point, I think the coming and going between the NF and SWP (and otheer far-left groups in the 70s) goes a bit beyond the anecdotal, and I am quite sure there were all sorts of other spooks floating about. I can’t speak from personal experience about the 80s, 90s or noughties, but I expect much the same sort of stuff goes on.

re your second point about me being a loon drawn out of the woodwork, I think actually I’ve only been on a few threads gabbing about the far right. and I only jumped on this one as i think Sunny’s suggestion about infiltrating the BNP could be a tad dangerous were anyone to act on it.

Mr. Moore:

In a BNP themed thread to bring up owt that could possibly purvey the horseshit gabbled by twonks that the far-right is actually far-left is not wise.

The second point wasn’t about you, it was about the racist Mark whose comments have been deleted.

Smashing.

17. stroppybird

Re the first point. I think I made clear that I have no time for the NOTW and yes the media , such as the Murdoch press, stoke the flames.

But I believe that this sort of expose in a mass media paper will have more impact than demos and egg throwing, even if that makes those feel involved better which I can understand . It will do more good than in a leftie paper or leftie blog.

Lots of people will read it and perhaps some who voted BNP will realise what they stand for.

Lets use this expose for our arguments .

‘In a BNP themed thread to bring up owt that could possibly purvey the horseshit gabbled by twonks that the far-right is actually far-left is not wise.’

Oh dear – surely the circular theory of politics is a fairly respectable one? You may think it’s untrue, but to call it ‘horseshit gabbled by twonks’ (am familiar with horseshit but no idea what a twonk is) is a bit over-emotional.

Actually, to clarify a bit further, I know of no CPGB people who moved to the far right, but I do know truckloads – Reid etc – who moved into rightwing Labour. The circle picture only seems to be valid on the more, what should we say, ‘adventurous’ fringes of the left and right.

Thanks for the clarification re the ‘loons’ mortar shell – I was affronted!

19. monkeyfish

I thought burning golliwogs was a good thing. What would you do with it? Give it to a lttle kid…send it to Carol Thatcher? Make your bloody minds up.

E. Moore:

As I said and for want of repeating myself, a thread about the BNP is not the best place to try and dig out the old ‘the BNP are actually left’ chestnut.

Monkeyfish:

Heh.

Commentys deleted because you marxist dumbos obviously don’t like democracy and free-speech.

Let’s face it there would be no BNP if New Labour and Tories hadn’t set about destroying this country’s manufacturing base, independence, community, culture and national identity!

You marxists are just simple tools of the establishment elite who wish to create a New World Order based on a marxist/fascist system of government with a dumbed-down mass of serfs to serve them.

You people can believe or think what you want but I would suggest reading either Ellen Brown’s Web of Debt or Michael Rowbotham’s The Grip of Death to understand the evil debt-based money system imposed on the world by the so-called elite bankers/financiers through their puppet politicians. Go on to the WebofDebt website and read some of Ellen’s articles and perhaps you may begin to understand the way you are being used to forward the evil New World Agenda of the super-rich banking elite!

The Rockefellers/Rothschilds/Bushes funded the Bolsheviks and the Nazis!

Please leave more commentys Mark!

HA!

Let’s face it there would be no BNP if New Labour and Tories hadn’t set about destroying this country’s manufacturing base, independence, community, culture and national identity!

Maybe they have, maybe they haven’t – but if part of the proposed solution is encouraging young, impressionable people to burn (ridiculous) effigies of Black people in a mock Kangaroo court – as some adults around them call for a “real one” – I’d have to call that out as wrong. Very, very wrong.

No point debating the racist Daniel, also his commentys will soon be gone I think.

Sunnyh don’t be an imbecile, there was nothing wromg with my comments, obviously free-speech is not part of your marxist agenda.

5cc said,

I just like it when we get the standard ‘yeah, well, what about the LibLabCon parties eh?’ bit of tosh whenever the Beeners are caught doing what Beeners do.

Is that the best defence possible?

@Mark:

“The International corporate, banking elite’s plan is to create a slave labour force of dumbed down serfs, working isn’t it?”

Is that the same International elite the BNP used to say was controlled by the Jews?

They don’t any more. Not out loud, at least – but then they don’t go about burning effigies and making jokes about burning black people in public either.

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You people are so foolish remove your blinkers and research and you may be surprised at what you find out.

I am not a BNP member and until recently supported Labour until seeing through the many lies and realising that despite the smears the BNP’s policies were common-sense and that I agreed with 95% of what they say.
The point i was making was not to defend these two imbeciles who are apparently BNP members i detest their comments and actions, it is to illustrate the total hypocrisy of the media who try to demonise and smear the BNP at any opportunity even as in this instance going undercover to try and set them up, yet the media doesn’t do this with New Labour, Tory, Lib Dems or their UAF thugs, why not as there are many bad apples within their ranks?

At the end of the day if New Labour were not so racist and employing discrimination against white british people in employment, housing, education,etc there would be no BNP so they are the party you should be attacking!

hoffman-gill the only racist here is you, you muppet.

Daniel you said
Let’s face it there would be no BNP if New Labour and Tories hadn’t set about destroying this country’s manufacturing base, independence, community, culture and national identity!

Maybe they have, maybe they haven’t – but if part of the proposed solution is encouraging young, impressionable people to burn (ridiculous) effigies of Black people in a mock Kangaroo court – as some adults around them call for a “real one” – I’d have to call that out as wrong. Very, very wrong.
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Daniel I agree 100% with you these people were just two vile idiots and what they said and encouraged was very wrong.

I would just like to say that whether or not this was a set-up, every political party will have racists and vile people that goes for Labour, Tory and Lib Dems in no way does it mean this reflects all members or the party and this is the same with the BNP, until recently I was a Labour man and was put-off the BNP by smears, however I decided to enquire into the BNP and found that not only did I agree with many policies I actually found that the party had many good people in its ranks!

Why is it the mainstream media only attack and smear the BNP inthis way and not the other political partys who have got the country in such a mess? That is the question to ask, and what is the vested interest people like Murdoch have in the chaos created in this country? Don’t believ medai lies?

Why is it the mainstream media only attack and smear the BNP inthis way and not the other political partys who have got the country in such a mess? That is the question to ask, and what is the vested interest people like Murdoch have in the chaos created in this country? Don’t believ medai lies?

As much as the other parties get things wrong – and in my own view that’s plenty – you absolutely do not see people burning golliwogs in their name – or encouraging the same. There can be no excuse for this; none – ever. We are some only 60 years away from the some of the worst atrocities that man has ever committed – we have to stand, we have to fight and we have to say No. No. No.

Ugh. My English got a bit mangled at the end, but you’ll get what I mean.

BNP trolls. They’re like performing seals, only even more amusing.

30. Charlieman

Daniel: “We are some only 60 years away from the some of the worst atrocities that man has ever committed…”

Further to that, we are only 15 years distant from the Rwandan genocide. What happened in Germany/Austria and separately in the Soviet Union was state orchestrated, methodical and targeted. What happened in Rwanda was manipulated but was largely implemented by mass action, not state bodies.

To me, the Rwandan genocide is more disturbing (and I don’t write that lightly). There is something about citizens butchering neighbours with a machete or burning them in a church that feels more threatening than death camps. Part of the reason, I guess, is that organisations like the BNP foster the hatred of neighbours who don’t fit into a particular social model. So whilst I don’t believe that the BNP are an electoral threat, I fear the thuggishness and, in extremis, the terrorism that they encourage.

One useful lesson from the NOTW story is that the more you let the BNP act like the BNP, the more that they reveal their beliefs. When Nazis only hold discreet evening meetings in pub back rooms, you learn less than when they spend a weekend in a field getting pissed.

Daniel (HG) says

‘As I said and for want of repeating myself, a thread about the BNP is not the best place to try and dig out the old ‘the BNP are actually left’ chestnut.’

Damn it that’s not what I said! I started off saying that encouraging infiltrating of the BNP is not a good idea; I would guess there are state informers galore embedded there already.

I went on to say that crossovers between the far right and the far left are well documented; after the Berlin Wall came down, one German journalist watched East German militia laughing as a Vietnamese guy was beaten up by skinheads. The militia, he observed, were communist just a few weeks before; during WWII they would have been Nazi, and in the 20s they would have moved effortlessly between Nazi and Communist parties.

I didn’t say that ‘the BNP are ‘actually left’; what i do say is that there elements on the far left which can easily migrate to the far right, and will find a cosy home there.

I don’t think that’s actually very controversial – and certainly doesn’t merit the heated responses you have given.

Oh and stroppybird, it’s a vefry good piece, many thanks.

@Zarathustra

I especially like the way obvious party lines get trotted out each time as if nobody’s ever seen them before. Like the one about how they used to be Labour supporters until they enquired into the BNP and found ordinary people just like them, as if we’ll all go away and look at BNP stuff and think anything other than “Wow! It’s so badly written! And the racism and crazy bits are so thinly disguised!”

33. Mr. Feathers

“At the end of the day if New Labour were not so racist and employing discrimination against white british people in employment, housing, education,etc there would be no BNP so they are the party you should be attacking!”

Is that your excuse for not having a job then?

Pathetic. You haven’t got a job because no one would employ a resentful little twerp like you. Businessmen believe in self-reliance, they will only give jobs to people who have the right attitude, not losers who want the government to give them council houses and shield them from open competition in the jobs market, which they know they’re too fucking thick to compete in.

This is what the welfare state has done, spurned an underclass of all colours, but only one branch of the underclass has its own political party to articulate its pathetic resentment and collectivism.

Whatever you fucking do don’t have any kids. I know it’s easy to find a sexual partner, even for scrounging BNP members, amongst the underclass, but use a condom for humanity’s sake.

I hate Labour, but they’re not discriminating for or against anyone. In fact the BNP propose some ridiculous, ill thought out schemes for forcing businessmen to employ less qualified people with a shit attitude just because they’re white and somehow seen as more deserving even though they’ve never in their lives added anything to society.

Pathetic.

Mark:

You seem to have failed to ntoice that this is not a Marxist forum and using that term does make it hard to take you at all seriously.

Also, LC has a clear comments policy and you breached it with your racist nonsense.

I’m glad you’ve confirmed your racism by accepting the idea that Jews used to run everything but not anymore as you phrase it.

The fundemental problem with you Mark is that you are defending acts carried out at a BNP day that are pretty terrible and in doing so, that makes you look like a daft racist, as does all the LOOK OVER THERE stuff you indulge in, trying to make the other mainstream parties look as backward and idiotic as the BNP are.

The idea also that the BNP is a byproduct of current politics is simplistic at best and idiotic at worst, far-right racist thinking is as old as time and exists in all political climates, thankfully we have less of it then some place but it was always exist in some form or another.

“At the end of the day if New Labour were not so racist and employing discrimination against white british people in employment, housing, education,etc there would be no BNP so they are the party you should be attacking!”

This is fiction and has been dealth with elsewhere in a thread you stopped posting in because the weight of evidence got too much for you.

Also, you keep making out that these are “two vile idiots” clearly in denial of the wholsescale racist activities that were embarked upon at the event. And even then you try and claim it was a set-up.

You may say you’re not a BNP supporter (even after talking about your enquiring in jopining the ranks) and I think this is because you are ashamed of the fact or don’t want to be laughed out of the thread but you certainly sound like one and your arguments are as flimsy as your ideas.

The BNP is a terrible, nasty, racist party whose policies are unworkable, bigoted tosh. You confuse smearing with representing the truth about the idiotic political ideology.

Charlieman:

I do agree that the Rwanda genocide is a bizarre and horrible episode, although the idea of comparing genocides seems very wrong.

Edwin Moore:

And there are even more elements in the right who can easily migrate to the far right, and will find a cosy home there.

Lovely.

Nice.

WE NEED MORE CONGOLESE NOW!

Fuck off racist

Britain REALLY needs more Third Worlders!

TRUE BRITONS DEMAND ANOTHER MILLION SOMALI AND CONGOLESE ASYLUM-SEEKERS AT ONCE!

Tell your MP right away!

Let your voice be heard!

Every country town needs more enrichment and diversity and so does every school!

O joy, to send your child to a school in which 46 languages are spoken in addition to English!

See 40 for reference bigot.

41. Mr. Feathers

You should see some of the schools near me. Virtually no pupils who aren’t from the master race, yet amongst the worst results in the country. Why? Because of BNP-loving underclass parents who can’t be arsed to bring up their own kids and sit round, stewing in resentment and pointlessness, blaming immigrants for their own stupidity even though there are next to no immigrants in the area.

No, why should people of ANY race be housed and have the children they’ve chosen to knock out, reared at my expense? This is what the BNP have never told me. I agree immigrants shouldn’t be given houses and lavished benefits, but nor should you and your little friends, and besides which most asylum seekers would have jobs were it not for the restrictions that cunt Blair imposed in order to appease fuckwits like you.

I prefer working, taxpaying immigrants to BNP voters. I am married to a refugee, for fuck’s sake, and I think I’ll take her over the people who scream abuse at her, believing themselves superior for no good reason.

Plus, most immigrants’ kids, even if they start off not being able to speak English, do better than the white or established black and Asian underclass because their parents have a better attitude. They work to overcome their difficulties rather than living off the welfare state and moaning. They can take their place alongside successful blacks, Asians and Jews.

What the fuck have you achieved in life, binkstein? That’s right, zero.

Well said Mr. Feathers!


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