Name of the LAB DOCTOR, name of the LAB, and NAME OF PSYCHOLOGIST WHO COUNSELED SEMENYA that s/he is intersex, ALL BEFORE BERLIN.

If the info below is correct, one more layer of SA’s fraudulent endeavor exposed.

(click on name for full article)

The M&G reported that Semenya had been tested at the Medforum Medi-Clinic in Pretoria early last month and that she had received counselling from ASA board member and psychologist Laraine Lane before hand.

The tests were conducted by Oscar Shimange, a medical doctor specialising in obstetrics and gynaecology.

The M&G said Chuene had also denied Adams was the official doctor of team SA. Adams was, in fact, commissioned by the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) to oversee Semenya’s gender tests in SA, and was listed in an ASA press release for the championships as a “team doctor”.
The M&G quoted a senior official close to ASA saying that when Team SA was in Neubrandenburg, Adams received a call from Medforum Medi-Clinic informing him of Semenya’s gender test results, which were “not good”.

The official said Adams then convened a meeting with Chuene and ASA vice-president Kakata Maponyane, among other ASA officials.

Adams advised them to withdraw Semenya from the competition, but they refused, said the M&G.

Meanwhile, the National Assembly’s sport committee yesterday postponed its meeting with ASA, which was scheduled for Tuesday.

This was because of the change in the parliamentary programme next week.
The meeting will be rescheduled in the next parliamentary term, starting on October 6 . — SDR, additional reporting by Sapa

I HAVE a brief, isolated comment to make on the incredibly complex Caster Semenya issue. Would the people who are screaming for her to be left alone and for her to keep her gold medal still have the same view if she had smashed the world record in Berlin with a sub-1:50 performance?

(say under 1:41 perhaps?)

One SA newspaper is claiming Caster Semenya was subjected to a humiliating two-hour gender examination in SA that included having her genitals photographed. Her former coach Wilfred Daniels told The Star today the athlete was “distressed and humiliated” by the experience.

And this, Daniels stressed, was done at the behest of Athletics South Africa (ASA) which has repeatedly denied it has tested her.

“The worst part was that she thought she was going for doping tests… she was in no way prepared for what happened,” Daniels said. He himself says he is prepared to undergo a lie detector test to prove that his claims are not false.

This was in direct contravention of International Athletics Association Federation (IAAF) rules, he said.

Following the first gender examination on Semenya, which took place at the Medforum Clinic in Sunnyside before Semenya left South Africa to compete in Berlin, the athlete was so distressed that she SMSed her roommates and friends about what had happened.

Less than a month later, and a day before she won gold in the 800m race in Berlin, Semenya’s ordeal was repeated in the hands of IAAF doctors.

full article:
http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5167358

The DA’s letter comprised the following request:

“I would like to request that Athletics South Africa, as a matter of urgency, appear before the National Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation to explain their role – or lack thereof – in the Caster Semenya debacle, and the numerous consequences that have emanated from it.”

There can be little doubt that ASA has a case to answer for, from its failure to properly protect the interests of Caster Semenya to the appalling manner in which it has failed to fully disclose its role in her testing and the amount of information it knew ahead of the IAAF’s cold and callous public announcement towards the beginning of this month.

It also needs to explain whether or not it undertook its own tests on Semenya, whether it did so openly and transparently, what it did with the results and whether it did everything in its power to keep Caster Semenya herself informed and her privacy protected and upheld.

Reports today suggest that, if indeed ASA did act to test her sex, they did so in a manner which can only be described as grossly humiliating and devoid of empathy or understanding.

The DA will ensure that all these questions are put to ASA, and in particular to its president Leonard Chuene, whom we feel has a great deal to answer for as the person ultimately responsible for ASA and the decisions it has made.

Statement issued by Donald Lee, MP, Democratic Alliance shadow minister of sport and recreation, September 16 2009

Cynicism aside, this whole ambiguous (or contrary to what was previously
claimed) female sex definition for Semenya poses the following conundrum.
Let us suppose, just theoretically, that she was aware of her intersex
condition, but maybe unaware of the full details. She is told she can get by in
the sports women’s category and win lots of money. So she does it. At the
same time, she does all of this while rejecting anything and everything that is
female gender-wise. (Watch any previous interview with her for proof).

As an amusing twist of events, let’s just consider the possibility that Semenya
really does not fall into the acceptable biological category for women as far
as the IAAF goes. Because of it, she is told that she can no longer compete as
a woman. However, she is also told there are no issues for her competing as
a man. So, as of next week, Semenya, all of a sudden, begins to check the
“male” checkbox and tells the world “she” is a “he.” For the first time in “her”
life then, “her” male gender will actually match “her” more male than female sex.

At the same, there were a lot of people around the globe desperate to shove
Semenya into a woman identity, gender, and biology because of various
ideological agendas. To pay respect to the whims of such people, would
South African politicians then welcome her at the airport with signs saying
“Our Ex-First Lady of Sports?” Our “20 percent female woman” has
landed? How about our “former queen of the track, now mediocre third-rate duke”?

I am curious to see the outcome of all of this. If it turns out she is biologically more male than female, will she continue to claim she is a girl, maintain her male gender, but check the male sex checkbox? Or will “she” then say he was a boy mistakenly raised as a girl?

This would be a difficult enough situation for any young person, it has just
been made more difficult in this case by so many groups having chosen
Semenya as their political ping-pong ball.

East Germany’s monstrous doping program

For a fascinating read on the subject:
http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/43/7/1262

Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government
Werner W. Franke1,a and Brigitte Berendonk2

Abstract

Several classified documents saved after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) in 1990 describe the promotion by the government of the use of drugs, notably androgenic steroids, in high-performance sports (doping). Top-secret doctoral theses, scientific reports, progress reports of grants, proceedings from symposia of experts, and reports of physicians and scientists who served as unofficial collaborators for the Ministry for State Security (“Stasi”) reveal that from 1966 on, hundreds of physicians and scientists, including top-ranking professors, performed doping research and administered prescription drugs as well as unapproved experimental drug preparations. Several thousand athletes were treated with androgens every year, including minors of each sex. Special emphasis was placed on administering androgens to women and adolescent girls because this practice proved to be particularly effective for sports performance.

Appropriately named ASAs look like they are in trouble !

In an email sent to IAAF general secretary Pierre Weiss, ASA manager Molatelo Malehopo said the ASA had been inundated with media inquiries alleging that Davies had made a statement that Caster’s results were out and that the local association was impeding the IAAF’s efforts to contact the athlete.

“Mr Chuene will be embarrassed when the results are released and this will leave him with no option but to resign. We need the clarity urgently on these utterances so that we can respond appropriately to the media,” Malehopo’s email read.

Confirming that the IAAF had received Semenya’s test results, Davis told the M&G the IAAF needed to speak to Semenya privately once the results had been verified by its experts. “We hope to have her full cooperation in order to conclude this matter to the satisfaction of the IAAF, and with all respect to her personal rights,” he said.

(click on link for full article)

A series of “smoking gun” emails are believed to be behind athletics boss Leonard Chuene’s bid to distance himself from the doctor who allegedly oversaw sex testing on athlete Caster Semenya.

The emails contain formal communication between the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) and South Africa’s team doctor, Harold Adams, dating from early in August.

And they could prove devastating to Athletics South Africa head Chuene’s claims that they were in the dark about the IAAF sex tests, which he said she was duped into undergoing in Berlin.

Adams, who advised ASA that Semenya should not take to the track in Berlin, has yet to break his silence on his role in the debacle – which could be damaging to his career and status as one of President Jacob Zuma’s doctors.

“I simply refused to withdraw her based on rumours. We were not given anything in black and white. The IAAF constitution also did not make provision for that. At that stage we did not even know about the alleged gender tests we read about in the media that were conducted on Mokgadi (Caster).”

Earlier, he said Adams had told him the medical commission of the IAAF had advised them to withdraw Semenya solely on the basis that they had conducted sex tests on her.

Semenya’s former coach, Wilfred Daniels, maintains ASA general manager Molatelo Malehopo authorised sex testing before Semenya went to Berlin. He also claims ASA deputy president Kakata Maponyane accompanied Semenya when she was tested in Berlin in August.

That means everyone has a 100% chance of tie-ing equal first with everyone else – surely that is entirely fair.

I’m sure you’re right. If Semenya was British it would make for some fascinating legal cases.

(i) if she were not allowed to compete in women’s athletics she would have a prima facie case for sex discrimination and

(ii) if she were, every woman athlete in the same event(s) would likewise have a prima facie case for sex discrimination.

And, in either case, the EOC’s published priorities (which include establishing precedents) suggest that the case would be publicly funded.

on the subject of fairness, we could talk for hours, why is it fair for some little idiot to pocket 60 K just for running around in a circle? Or for some other little idiots to pocket *millions* just for throwing or kicking a ball around? Is this fair? When the world has never enough money for hospitals, schools, basic nutrition, and mental health services, is this fair?

According to what/whose standard of fairness?

Do you think it is unfair that professional sportspeople pay their taxes at the rates decided by their govenments, which goes into paying for the “hospitals, schools, basic nutrition, and mental health services”, which (as you say) will never have ‘enough’ money?

We could spend every last penny we have on health or education, but people would still die prematurely from disease or stupidity.

This Semenya case is about so many interwined things, it just unravels in so many directions.

As for what to do about intersex athletes, I have to say that I have been so busy thinking about the doping and the fraud and the sex/gender aspects of this case that I haven’t yet given the question much thought. It’s really a question that requires thinking along multiple, simultaneous lines. It remits into the forefront one of the most fundamental questions about sports: what is fair? If there is a lot of unfairness in sports as it is, where are the convention lines to be drawn?

Some of my initial thoughts on this (and that’s all they are, initial thoughts) :
if Semenya has only a) external female genitalia (ambiguous or not) and b) and a half-formed vagina, and the rest of her body is mostly male, including her hormones (higher than normal for women), it is like for other women to compete against a female athlete on steroids. (I’ve read a few blogs with discussions by researchers and doctors and others on what type of intersex Semenya is, and there is no consensus. I don’t know about the CAISes and the AISes and the alphas and betas, but from my lay understanding, wouldn’t Semenya’s set of male secondary sex characteristics and an abnormally powerful performance rule out the testosterone insensitivity claim? I’ve asked the question and haven’t gotten an answer. Whatever intersex type she is, I am guessing “she” is profitting from her higher levels of testosterone and her sports-related male characteristics. )

Furthermore, according to the Bild’s allegations, Semenya’s testosterone level can be altered using “medication” so that she was not found out in previous doping tests.

So far, everything that was claimed by this article has been reaffirmed by other subsequent allegations. I am waging “her” testosterone levels go way beyond 3 times the female average (either naturally or by “medication”).

And I also observed something that was remarked by other commentators, Semenya ran this race comfortably, “she” had quite a bit more gas, “she” could have crushed her time more. But, maybe, she had been coached not to do it because then the suspect aspects of “her” performance would glare out even more than they already did.

Without knowing what goes on in her biology, it’s hard to guess. Why not let her compete with the steroid-pumped women? Or she can compete with the guys. So she wouldn’t be in the very top level if she competed with the guys, so what?

I know extremely talented volleyball players who aren’t tall enough to play in the top-level teams because nature made them 15 or 20 cm too short. I have always thought, again, just as the issue concerning our drug-infested sports world, that we should have different divisions in pro sports based on height for certain sports. There are some shorter volleyball players who are just as fantastic as the taller ones. Why can’t they play in the best teams and earn money like the taller ones? Because nature made them shorter. Is this fair? Does anyone care? No. Apparently, there was a nature mishap regarding the definition of sex in Semenya. Is it fair? No. Why is it any different than being born too short for so many other sports?

Another example, it would be much fairer if we computed the world high jump record based on bar height compared to body height. A 1.60m-tall woman and a 2.0m-tall woman who both clear a bar at a 2.0m height have not achieved the same feat at all. In fact, the astounding feat, in this fictional example, is really accomplished by the shorter athlete. But in real life, a woman who is 1.60m tall would never be allowed to compete in the high jump. Is this fair? And the muscle differences between white and black people, is this fair in racing? No, but it’s the way it is.

And on the subject of fairness, we could talk for hours, why is it fair for some little idiot to pocket 60 K just for running around in a circle? Or for some other little idiots to pocket *millions* just for throwing or kicking a ball around? Is this fair? When the world has never enough money for hospitals, schools, basic nutrition, and mental health services, is this fair?

Whatever gender Caster Semanya is determined as (or anyone else for that matter), there must be some form of open world-class competition in which it is possible to prove the limits of individual human potential and encourage every single one of us to strive for the best.

I can admit I’m no world-beater, but I can say that because I’ve participated to the fullest in each arena where I’ve had an opportunity. Or do you think it would be better to be an obese TV addict continually griping from the sidelines with increasing bitterness about what other people should not be allowed to do for whatever reason you care to conspire against them?

So without prejudging the case of Caster, if any of the allegations are proven it would be an unfortunate case with a real human story at its heart. Caster obviously loves running, is very good at it and wants to continue – athletics will be all the poorer if the community can find no place for individuals of that level of desire, commitment and ability.

It is no more than an interesting coincidence, but this matter makes for a good comparison with the SA authorities’ responses to the recent case of Oscar Pistorius.

Caster Semenya has male sex organs and no womb or ovaries. The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) is ready to disqualify Semenya from future events and advise her to have immediate surgery because her condition carries grave health risks. They have also not ruled out stripping Semenya of her 800m world championships gold medal.

While the IAAF are treating the Semenya case as a health matter, with her eligibility to compete in women’s athletics very much a secondary issue, the same South African politicians who denied AIDS was a problem in their country are now blindly standing behind their new queen of the track.

“Well of course Caster is a totally innocent victim in this whole affair,” the source explained. “What could she do about it? And the IAAF accepted her entry. So the two parties at fault are the IAAF and especially Athletics SA. The South Africans have got a massive responsibility, but no one seems to be attacking them.

“Basically they (ASA) have known for months, for years, that she’s not normal. They could have set in process these kind of tests if they had been more responsible.”
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Like I wrote way, way back in Aug. 24, this smelled so bad. This had all the makings of Major FRAUD by SA authorities. And now they are going to go to “war” not to admit it. And unless the IAAF has some real ethical backbone, and doesn’t cave in and engage in a cover-up, a lot of stuff is going to hit the proverbial fan in November.

Oh, BTW, and what are the ASA crooks and SA political parasites? Liberals. Slimy, corrupt liberals. And you know if they could read this post, they would also say that I am ignorant and don’t know what I am talking about. The discourse of self-aggrandizing people is remarkably the same all over the world.

And you know why the IAAF are still going to carry on the tests for two more months? How sweet. Go for it. Unless there is a cover-up, the full lovely answers coming out, in a media outlet near you, in two months.

There was a really stupid (red herring baiting) comment on this thread saying that demanding that an athlete who looks like a man should undergo tests for both drugs and sex/gender verification is an ignorant or confused request. I am betting virtual money that the answer in November will involve both of these combined forms of cheating, as was already denounced in the Bild article. Apparently their source was reliable. But, then again, until now, it is all “alleged.”

And as for Caster, this whole thing about her innocence smells rotten to me. Granted that she is very much a pawn, but certainly an opportunistic one. There may not be doctors in the boondocks of SA, but in top level athletics there are more doctors per square meter than in the NIH. “Girl” has adult male body build, no breasts, has never menstruated, and the little SA top level athletic doctors couldn’t think of the word DSD? No one has ever talked to Caster about this? No one ever did a little exam to find out her internal organs? “Girl” is 18 and has never been to gynecologist? Don’t believe it for a second. My theory: Semenya (certainly advised by a bunch of corrupt baboons) had figured out that checking the “girl” checkbox in the sports competition form would bring her the money, period. She didn’t realize how much it could unravel at the top level. Now she will play the little innocent gender victim card to the joy of the developed world’s gender bending and deforming pseudo-intellecto community.

One thing, though, that struck me as quite tragic in all of this, that I saw no comments about, is that her father is reported to have said he had already so many girls, he was really wishing for a boy when Caster was on the way and that he wanted Caster to be a boy. Then there is this biological mishap which is no one’s choice and, 18 years later, we see Caster “choosing” to act, talk, and dress like a guy. Could this have been to psychologically defend “herself” from her father’s rejection of having yet another girl?

Even Caster may not consciously know the answer to that one.

By DONNA BRYSON (AP) – The remorseful coach of a South African runner, Caster Semenya, whose gender has been questioned, has resigned over the way her case was handled, saying she was not told what was being done when she was given tests in South Africa.

Daniels said he found out shortly before Semenya won the race at the world championships in Germany last month that she had been tested in South Africa in July at the IAAF’s behest. He said she was told she was undergoing only a doping test. (only a few minutes before she won? what a coincidence!)

Daniels said he did not know why Semenya was lied to, but said it could have been to protect her feelings at a time when the issue was confidential, as IAAF rules demand. (it’s so touching how much they wanted to protect the so-called her…)

But “when there’s legal implications that an athlete could be barred from competing for life, we need to explain to the individual concerned, look, these are the implications,” Daniels said.

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Legal implications that an athlete could be barred from competing FOR LIFE?!

And the reason that said athlete would be barred for life would be…?

Smells like a pre-emptive resignation. Resign before the bomb explodes and you are forced out in shame.

“But if we truly want to progress as a species – if we want to celebrate sporting achievement, if we want to strive collectively and individually to run faster and swim stronger and jump higher and think more clearly, our frantic cultural drive to uphold gender as a holy and immutable binary is the first thing we need to abandon.”

I’m leaving the question of gender totally aside here, not because it is unimportant, but because what needs to be equally emphasized is that this very ideology enshrining a “collective target to run faster and swim stronger and jump higher” does not entail clear thinking, and most importantly, it is inimical to ethical attitudes and behaviors in various sports.

Generally speaking, the limits for most racing and jumping sports have been attained as far as training and competing clean are concerned. From now on, it’s the pills and the injections (or other such cute tricks, such as slick little swimsuits, as the recent controversy in swimming has shown us, may the most high-tech speedo win). But for competing solely as grand nature has made us, we’ve pretty much hit the limit. This obviously entails basically no more record breaking and it makes the obsessive target of breaking multiple records every year a very different endeavor than it was decades ago, when there was still much room for clean improvement.

The current insane objective to always break a record is driven enormously by the sports ring masters. It is also enhanced by the media industry’s design of sports programming targetted for a not very wise public. There is an equally obsessive lust for medals, resulting from various contaminated, but complementary agendas. One is to reinforce political ideological superiority and nationalistic jingoism. Another is to exploit all aspects of attaining media celebrity, because this paves the way to more glory, more privileges, and, of course, ties into the third very important goal: heaps of money. All of this is inimical to ethical principles and attitudes.

Athletes are often intensely glorified if they win gold, in contrast to being sternly demeaned if they win second (as if there was an enormous difference). If they lose beyond third, they are often humiliated and punished by the nastiest reactions, as if they were a total failure, even when they show an excellent performance overall. You can be the fourth fastest runner out of all the billions of other little humans on the planet, but you didn’t bring home a medal, and certainly not a gold one, so I’m sorry, you’re worthless and you’re a disappointment to the nation. It is so insane.

Even though most people don’t like the fact that sports have become inundated by doping, nobody boycotts anything because of it. The money in sports only gets bigger, the politicians are always on the lookout to exploit their next little hero/shmero, and the drugs just keep getting stealthier. And, of course, the public must have their circus. All sports have come a long way about doping controls, but the problem is certainly very, very far from being solved; too far, in my opinion.

I have thought for some time that it was time to divide sports competitions between clean and drugged. It is not a matter of ideals, but of pragmatism. Since we cannot stop the doping because of all the factors briefly outlined above, not excluding yet others, let us bring it out into the open. I only saw one commentary on the Internet along these lines, related to the current African hermaphrodite train wreck. the basic idea is that everything concerning drugs in sports would be allowed. The only rule is that each athlete would need to inform the list of drugs they had been taking. Therefore we would have that Athlete A had beat the world record by 10 seconds while taking X, then Athlete B by taking Y, etc etc. And then we would have the “lame” ones, who would never beat a world record again, but who would race clean. At the end of the games, we would have the clean records, the drug X records, the drug Y records, etc.

Of course, it would only a matter of time before we discovered that Athlete A beat the drug Y record while really taking drug Z, but I would still prefer this more transparent sports scheme to what we have now.

Competitors and observers around the world thought there was something unusual in a woman who appeared masculine and came from nowhere with an improvement of 16.53sec in one season, to be the fastest in the world over 800m while coached by a former East German drug cheat. In any other sport, there would be questions; in any other sport the demand would be for transparency.

There are questions… they are investigating her! Jebus… please try to sort out your monomania, it’s interfering with your faculties.

by Bonehead on August 26 2009, 12:59

ROFL

“That’s about as interesting of a comment as the gender debate of the South African runner Caster Semenya. Since she’s shaved the ‘stache and left the running jacket on, she is looking more and more like a, well, she. ”

ROFL

Oh, this wasn’t bad either:

Herr Doktor Arbeit (“macht frei”)

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Perhaps to be known from this incident on as Herr Doktor Testosteron Macht Frei?

“There is nothing about Semenya that is even remotely female, so I believe it is fair to ask for gender testing. The medal is for the WOMEN’s 800 meter. So the winner of the medal should be a woman. We would be having the same conversation if a person with full breasts, a high pitched voice, hips and 3 times the level of estrogen had won the men’s 800 meter race. ”
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“And the prize for Shameless Popularism goes to the ANC for pouncing on poor Caster Semenya when she arrived back in SA to claim her as their latest struggle victim.”
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(on the same subject as right above:)
…everyone knows that the [SA] “stepmother of the nation” is in good company when she shares the populist stage with the jelly tsotsi. Neither are renowned for their common sense or good judgement. Like the political vultures that they are, they are constantly on the lookout for claiming the prize for something that someone else did.

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Martin Samuel: We’ve every right to bang on about sex

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1209023/Martin-Samuel-Weve-right-bang-sex.html#ixzz0PJNgwgHI

Butana Komphela, chairman of the South African parliament’s Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, alleged sexism and racism. ‘The humiliation of Semenya is a sign of sexist action by the IAAF,’ he said. ‘When Caster comes back we will welcome her as our heroine. Just because she is black and she has surpassed her European competitors, there is all this uproar.’

How perceptive. It is the one field where black folk just can’t catch a break, isn’t it, athletics? That and dance music. As for sexism, why would an investigation designed to ensure female athletes are not being forced into competition against an abnormally masculine rival be misogynistic? After all, it was not just the IAAF that harboured suspicions.

Competitors and observers around the world thought there was something unusual in a woman who appeared masculine and came from nowhere with an improvement of 16.53sec in one season, to be the fastest in the world over 800m while coached by a former East German drug cheat. In any other sport, there would be questions; in any other sport the demand would be for transparency.

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“A guttural laugh from Semenya came at a question about whether she had received hormone injections from Ekkart Arbeit, head coach of the South African team.”
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What’s so funny, I wonder?

So to defend her by contradicting her ideas seems both perverse and unwittingly malicious, don’t you think?

Actually, it does matter as Laurie has previously attacked other people for daring to speak on class issues – because they went to Oxford with her so couldn’t possibly know what they are talking about!

Laurie MADE background an issue.

But by all means, pretend she’s a victim of something or other to ‘wind the fellas up’.