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		<title>By: Just Visiting</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59502</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Visiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if we are left thinking that Fatah is preferable to Hamas, this week it seemed that the Head of Fatah in Lebanon has revealed an uncomfortable position on Israel.

Munir Al-Maqdah&#039;s interview was shown on Al-Quds TV on the 17th:

&quot;...Fatah do not recognize the so-called State of Israel, let alone the Jewishness of this state. We do not recognize that artificial entity, the state of Israel, which sooner or later will be removed from the land of Palestine, Allah willing

...During the Al-Aqsa Intifada, it was me who provided the Brigades with money and weapons. I was among the founders of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in Palestine&quot;.

So Hamas and Fatah seem again to be united in their intention to destroy Israel -as some have bee saying for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if we are left thinking that Fatah is preferable to Hamas, this week it seemed that the Head of Fatah in Lebanon has revealed an uncomfortable position on Israel.</p>
<p>Munir Al-Maqdah&#8217;s interview was shown on Al-Quds TV on the 17th:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Fatah do not recognize the so-called State of Israel, let alone the Jewishness of this state. We do not recognize that artificial entity, the state of Israel, which sooner or later will be removed from the land of Palestine, Allah willing</p>
<p>&#8230;During the Al-Aqsa Intifada, it was me who provided the Brigades with money and weapons. I was among the founders of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in Palestine&#8221;.</p>
<p>So Hamas and Fatah seem again to be united in their intention to destroy Israel -as some have bee saying for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Visiting</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59498</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Visiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is being reported that Hamas choose to take on this insignificant splinter group, as a cynical ploy to gaining status in the west :Hamas must be middle-ground, if they fight extremists, kind of ploy.

Eg one commentator writes:

&#039;According to many commentators on al Jazeera, Hamas chose to finish up the “Jund” as a maneuver to lure the West in general -- Great Britain and the United States in particular -- into “engaging” the organization, lifting its name from terror lists and adding it to the peace process between the Palestinians and Israel. Hamas spokespersons rushed to say “we too are fighting the extremists, the terrorists as you are fighting them and pursuing al Qaeda,” which resonates greatly in Western ears,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is being reported that Hamas choose to take on this insignificant splinter group, as a cynical ploy to gaining status in the west :Hamas must be middle-ground, if they fight extremists, kind of ploy.</p>
<p>Eg one commentator writes:</p>
<p>&#8216;According to many commentators on al Jazeera, Hamas chose to finish up the “Jund” as a maneuver to lure the West in general &#8212; Great Britain and the United States in particular &#8212; into “engaging” the organization, lifting its name from terror lists and adding it to the peace process between the Palestinians and Israel. Hamas spokespersons rushed to say “we too are fighting the extremists, the terrorists as you are fighting them and pursuing al Qaeda,” which resonates greatly in Western ears,</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59242</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well free trade would certainly be a good step as once the Pallestinian people had a better quality of life, they would be much more willing to negotiate some sort of end to the conflict. But thats hardly a roadmap to a solution. 

The free market anarchists at Mises hold the conflict to be inevitably bound up in the logic of statehood itself and prescribe the abolition of both the Israeli state and Pallestinian state: http://mises.org/story/3285

Unfortunately, no political philosophy can offer a straightforward solution to this conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well free trade would certainly be a good step as once the Pallestinian people had a better quality of life, they would be much more willing to negotiate some sort of end to the conflict. But thats hardly a roadmap to a solution. </p>
<p>The free market anarchists at Mises hold the conflict to be inevitably bound up in the logic of statehood itself and prescribe the abolition of both the Israeli state and Pallestinian state: <a href="http://mises.org/story/3285" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/story/3285</a></p>
<p>Unfortunately, no political philosophy can offer a straightforward solution to this conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Robertson</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59100</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s no good – even setting up an Israel/Palestine thread isn’t going to distract the trolls from Hannan and the NHS. Good idea though ;-)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not for lack of trying; I lobbied hard to have this post titled &quot;OMG! Exclusive! Dan Hannan, NHS, Death! Death!&quot;, but the idea was vetoed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s no good – even setting up an Israel/Palestine thread isn’t going to distract the trolls from Hannan and the NHS. Good idea though <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not for lack of trying; I lobbied hard to have this post titled &#8220;OMG! Exclusive! Dan Hannan, NHS, Death! Death!&#8221;, but the idea was vetoed.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59091</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s no good - even setting up an Israel/Palestine thread isn&#039;t going to distract the trolls from Hannan and the NHS. Good idea though ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no good &#8211; even setting up an Israel/Palestine thread isn&#8217;t going to distract the trolls from Hannan and the NHS. Good idea though <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Neil Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sure, I think there are reasons for talking to Hamas which are independent of this incident, though I think that trying to achieve a Palestinian unity government (which will require some kind of reconciliation &amp; power sharing with Fatah on the West Bank) is probably more urgent at this point.

I suppose it&#039;s not possible to know yet whether this shows a trend towards more extremist groups openly opposing Hamas, or whether it&#039;s an abberation which was allowed to flower because Hamas was weakened by Israel&#039;s military actions. Sadly, I suspect it&#039;s probably the former, but haven&#039;t seen anything to bear that out yet.

Moving slightly off topic here, Nick, but is there a libertarian line on this topic? Most of the libertarian stuff I read on foreign policy tends to be more interested in free trade etc, and I don&#039;t recall hearing very much about things like Israel-Palestine, or the broader topic of counter-terrorism in Afghanistan/Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sure, I think there are reasons for talking to Hamas which are independent of this incident, though I think that trying to achieve a Palestinian unity government (which will require some kind of reconciliation &amp; power sharing with Fatah on the West Bank) is probably more urgent at this point.</p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s not possible to know yet whether this shows a trend towards more extremist groups openly opposing Hamas, or whether it&#8217;s an abberation which was allowed to flower because Hamas was weakened by Israel&#8217;s military actions. Sadly, I suspect it&#8217;s probably the former, but haven&#8217;t seen anything to bear that out yet.</p>
<p>Moving slightly off topic here, Nick, but is there a libertarian line on this topic? Most of the libertarian stuff I read on foreign policy tends to be more interested in free trade etc, and I don&#8217;t recall hearing very much about things like Israel-Palestine, or the broader topic of counter-terrorism in Afghanistan/Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-59044</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the existence of an even crazier organisation suddenly means Hamas MUST be spoken to. There might be independently good reasons to talk to Hamas. I mean, back in the old days, no-one could touch Hamas for Islamism. But as soon as they got to power they had to start compromising. So it isn&#039;t about the groups themselves or the individuals. It is structural. Whoever has the current power is only going to be able to maintain a certain threshold of nuttiness. The same goes for these young up-starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the existence of an even crazier organisation suddenly means Hamas MUST be spoken to. There might be independently good reasons to talk to Hamas. I mean, back in the old days, no-one could touch Hamas for Islamism. But as soon as they got to power they had to start compromising. So it isn&#8217;t about the groups themselves or the individuals. It is structural. Whoever has the current power is only going to be able to maintain a certain threshold of nuttiness. The same goes for these young up-starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/making-gaza-even-worse/#comment-75862</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;: Making Gaza even worse http://bit.ly/Z3Bew&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3380147870&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">: Making Gaza even worse <a href="http://bit.ly/Z3Bew" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/Z3Bew</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3380147870">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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