Comments on: Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/ creating a new liberal-left force Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:17:45 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Soho Politico http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59140 Soho Politico Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:52:36 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59140 Looking at the caption on the Guardian piece, I can't believe that, having had almost a week to think about it, the best message Burnham can come up with on the dividing line between Labour and the Tories over health is 'national standards vs localism'. The electorate just don't have strong enough feelings about the respective merits of central vs local control over public services for this to be an effective piece of political framing. <a HREF="http://sohopolitico.blogspot.com/2009/08/on-political-framing-andy-burnham-is.html" rel="nofollow">It's been obvious throughout the fallout from the Hannan affair, but Burnham can't do political strategising to save his life.</A> Looking at the caption on the Guardian piece, I can’t believe that, having had almost a week to think about it, the best message Burnham can come up with on the dividing line between Labour and the Tories over health is ‘national standards vs localism’. The electorate just don’t have strong enough feelings about the respective merits of central vs local control over public services for this to be an effective piece of political framing. It’s been obvious throughout the fallout from the Hannan affair, but Burnham can’t do political strategising to save his life.

]]> By: Span Ows http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59035 Span Ows Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:45:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59035 Ironically enough all the above comments are right! 1. Nobody thinks the American system is better (...but it does have higher survival rates in certain key areas) 2. Labour and the Left are beginning to sound desperate but you can't blame them for milking this issue as they have had very few things "to really go at" lately (especially when the Kaminski and Coulson "smears" flopped) 3. the NHS is overall a good thing but everyone knows at least one bad story/anecdote despite knowing that by far the greater number of good news never sees the light of day (no media interest) 4. David Cameron IS BELIEVED, and rightly so, by most people when he speaks genuinely about the NHS. All in all it's summer/silly season/not a lot of news/ whatever...I suspect that the more Labour push this the more media will find bad stories about the NHS to bash them with...the lady that gave birth in the street (despite the rights/wrongs/details of that story) is just the first. Ironically enough all the above comments are right!

1. Nobody thinks the American system is better (…but it does have higher survival rates in certain key areas)
2. Labour and the Left are beginning to sound desperate but you can’t blame them for milking this issue as they have had very few things “to really go at” lately (especially when the Kaminski and Coulson “smears” flopped)
3. the NHS is overall a good thing but everyone knows at least one bad story/anecdote despite knowing that by far the greater number of good news never sees the light of day (no media interest)
4. David Cameron IS BELIEVED, and rightly so, by most people when he speaks genuinely about the NHS.

All in all it’s summer/silly season/not a lot of news/ whatever…I suspect that the more Labour push this the more media will find bad stories about the NHS to bash them with…the lady that gave birth in the street (despite the rights/wrongs/details of that story) is just the first.

]]> By: the a&e charge nurse http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59032 the a&e charge nurse Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:22:41 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59032 Not even Hannon wants the American system. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100006578/the-nhs-row-my-final-word/ While in Chicago health centres are being shut down http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100006578/the-nhs-row-my-final-word/ The right have opened a can of worms allowing NuLab to finally have their day in the sun - who can blame them for biting back? Not even Hannon wants the American system.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100006578/the-nhs-row-my-final-word/

While in Chicago health centres are being shut down
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100006578/the-nhs-row-my-final-word/

The right have opened a can of worms allowing NuLab to finally have their day in the sun – who can blame them for biting back?

]]> By: Richard http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59024 Richard Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:22:12 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59024 Labour are understandably milking this for all its worth but it's beginning to look like desperation now. Labour are understandably milking this for all its worth but it’s beginning to look like desperation now.

]]> By: Mark M http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59020 Mark M Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:01:17 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59020 Ours is a small country, where one can fairly easily arrange travel. Thus, providing a patient is given full choice over which hospital to go to, it doesn't matter too much if the targets are removed and replaced with hospitals reporting various waiting times. For instance, if I am told by my doctor that I need to see a knee specialist I would simply compare hospitals to find the best place to go (a bit like a confused.com for hospitals). As people will choose the best place to go, if a hospital wants patients (and payment) it will need to be a good hospital. If you have different hospitals competing for patients you will improve standards across the board. Even better, the improvements will be in areas the patients want, not just some measure that the government decides patients want. Ours is a small country, where one can fairly easily arrange travel. Thus, providing a patient is given full choice over which hospital to go to, it doesn’t matter too much if the targets are removed and replaced with hospitals reporting various waiting times.

For instance, if I am told by my doctor that I need to see a knee specialist I would simply compare hospitals to find the best place to go (a bit like a confused.com for hospitals). As people will choose the best place to go, if a hospital wants patients (and payment) it will need to be a good hospital. If you have different hospitals competing for patients you will improve standards across the board. Even better, the improvements will be in areas the patients want, not just some measure that the government decides patients want.

]]> By: Martin Coxall http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-59015 Martin Coxall Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:29:00 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-59015 Far be it from me to advise Labour's no doubt formidable strategists. But... Is it really a good idea to keep giving David Cameron a platform to talk about his love of the NHS, given that so far all Labour's bickering has achieved is a 2pt jump in the ICM Tory poll position? DO NOT GIVE DAVE FREE REIN OF A NEWS CYCLE. IT WILL ONLY HELP THE TORIES. Far be it from me to advise Labour’s no doubt formidable strategists.

But…

Is it really a good idea to keep giving David Cameron a platform to talk about his love of the NHS, given that so far all Labour’s bickering has achieved is a 2pt jump in the ICM Tory poll position?

DO NOT GIVE DAVE FREE REIN OF A NEWS CYCLE. IT WILL ONLY HELP THE TORIES.

]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-76223 Liberal Conspiracy Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:53:28 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-76223 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">: Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories http://bit.ly/gcWDy</span> <div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3373973971">Original tweet</a>]</div></span> : Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories http://bit.ly/gcWDy

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]]> By: vastrat http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-76222 vastrat Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:34:34 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-76222 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Liberal Conspiracy » Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories: National pay structures bring a stability to the syst.. http://bit.ly/mJjYo</span> <div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/vastrat/status/3376636109">Original tweet</a>]</div></span> Liberal Conspiracy » Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories: National pay structures bring a stability to the syst.. http://bit.ly/mJjYo

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]]> By: Liberal Conspiracy http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/08/18/labour-keep-up-nhs-attacks-on-tories/#comment-77380 Liberal Conspiracy Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:53:28 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=6974#comment-77380 <span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">: Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories http://bit.ly/gcWDy</span> <div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/libcon/status/3373973971">Original tweet</a>]</div></span> : Labour keep up NHS attacks on Tories http://bit.ly/gcWDy

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