If the BNP case is so strong and worthy, why does the BNP have to lie?

For example, why not a few correct facts and figures on this so-called ‘mass immigration’ into Norwich North (because Norwich North is the topic of this thread)?

Why not the statistics on old people who have died in Norwich North because their pensions were too little?

Why does the BNP leaflet tell lies?

Fatty:

You’re just the same old troll with a different handle, bugger off you daft racist.

Yes, it’s a vulgar bloody shambles of impotent anger and rage.

Bless the daft racists.
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When we meet for our debate I’ll take us to Glodwick and drop you off smack bang in the middle.

There you can celebrate your wonderful diversity whilst you get the biggest kicking off your life. I’ll stand back and watch you receive Muslim hospitality. Glodwick style. Why don’t you bring Jamie, John and Barbara along. You’ll have a great time

I suspect you’ll cry off just as other liberals have. But make no mistake I will meet you in Uppermill and I’ll show you proof that everything I’ve written is the truth.

Bless the daft racists.

I’ll direct people here in future for a laff/groan.

You got deleted. Ha.

Treacy:

You’re sounding more desperate at this goes on, no one here has an interest in your deluded world view or your politics, trawl for BNP voters elsewhere, like Lees perhaps?

One family was deemed to have abandoned their home after Muslims threw a petrol bomb through their window. I got them rehoused after threatening to stage a sit down in Oldham’s civic centre. For my actions I was banned from the Civic-until I told the AFRICAN security guard to get out of my way so I could pay my council tax.

I met one woman who was raped and went to the police to make a complaint. her attacker was a well known Muslim drug dealer. Originally the police took her complaint seriously but he was never arrested and questioned. After a short while the police decided to let the matter drop.

I met a young man who was macheted by 4 Muslims and because of his extensive injuries he can longer work as a tiler. Instead he works in a supermarket earning half as much as he was.

I met a relative of Gavin Hopley who was attacked by 12 TWELVE Muslims after he walked into their area after getting lost. He was beaten and as he lay dying the bastards who attacked him robbed him of his watch and gold chain. His family were persuaded by the police to issue a statement that they didn’t believe Gavin was racially attacked. No one was found guilty of his murder although one of the Muslims received 21 months imprisonment for the theft.

I met one young lad who was mown down by another gang of….wait for it….MUSLIMS. His back still has the tyre imprint after 3 years.

I’m great friends with a relative of Mark Clayton who as attacked whilst walking home by 12 (that magic number) asylum seekers. After being stabbed in the leg he was left for dead. He lost half his blood and only God knows how he survived.

Do you remember Walter Chamberlain? He was the old chap who was beaten with his own metal flask whilst walking home after watching a game of rugby league. His face was smashed including his cheek bones and eye sockets. I signed one of his relatives to the BNP after the police visited the family home and persuaded the family to state it wasn’t racist. Sound familiar?

I’ve seen so much wanton violence against white people but it’s all going to be a new experience for you liberals. Some of you might be elderly and you won’t see the horrors that will unfold in future years. BUT your great-grandchildren will. And if there is an afterlife I hope you look down and see the carnage you descendants will endure.

The entire Suzuki – Stoat debate may have been lost forever!

Ouch.

Let’s stick to the topic of the BNP lies in the leaflets distributed in Norwich North. You are ignoring the specific responses you have received.

Do you now understand that the BNP leaflets did indeed contain lies?

1) Locals pushed to the back of the housing queue – not true since none of the refugees were placed in “Social Housing” for which the loccals are queueing

It’s true. Why do you think local government are now ruing the day they signed up for this colonisation of many areas? Although there is a shortage of government housing stock many of the ones available are offered to immigrants.

2) Cost to local inhabitants – none or, if you include contribution via income tax too small to measure as Norwich pays less than 0.1% of total tax on personal or corporate incomes

And who pays this tax both presently and in the past. British people who have built this country and supplied some of the greatest infrastructure the world has ever seen.

3) Repeatedly equating refugees with economic migrants

I’ve already stated I don’t believe anyone should pass through safe countries to come here. I believe that by doing so they have broken international rules making them illegal.

4) “Our taxes” are being spent on immigrants – research has shown that immigrants in aggregate pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits

That depends on two factors. Firstly who organised this research? If it’s the government, the Joseph Roundtree trust or any such organisation you can promise yourself the figures are managed, massaged or downright lies. One interesting point is the Russian billionaire and Chealsea FC owner, Roman Abramovich, is considered a migrant and as such his wealth is included in the official figures. His tax payments are used to shore up the very negative contributions of the other immigrants.

If, as you suggest, immigrants pay more then answer this. Why are most ethnic communities usually poverty areas. In Oldham 5 of the 6 poorest areas are ethnic minority areas. In fact they are total shit holes. These deprivation lists are constructed by various benefit agency’s. They receive their information from their own records-which areas are claiming the most in benefits! So either all immigrants are doctors or brain surgeons or the are on the dole or receiving some kind of benefit (child benefit is not included).

5) Indigenous people will be outnumbered in 40-50 years – not possible even if the entire population of Poland came over here

In 1975 just 1% of the population was from an ethnic minority back ground. The figure is now over 12% and rising fast. This doesn’t include the million or so who are in hiding.

6) “the Spanish aren’t a race”

No country can be a race save the Inuits. I understand they make their own borders and consider them to be flexible. I might be wrong but I’m certain I read that sometime ago.

7) Claiming 150 refugees are mass immigration

Of course it is! If 40 caravans of travelers arrived in your village would the local papers not scream as much? 150 might not seem many but stick a couple of families in your village and sit back and watch how fast the changes happen.
That housing 30 or 40 families in empty properties will upset the local housing market and create a scarcity, pushing up prices – a quick look on Google gives me several letting agents, the first of which claims to have 3285 properties to let in and around Norwich.

What it will do is create white flight. People leave the area creating a hell of a lot of empty properties. These properties become a magnet for vandals are then boarded up. The area eventually looks like Beirut. I’ve seen this happen with my own eyes countless times
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9) That all the refugees are coming to Britain – as part of an international agreement we are taking a very small percentage, most have gone to other African countries

None should be here. I’ve already explained why.

11) “Most so-called refugees are young men” not so – most workers coming here from eastern europe are young men, but most refugees are women and children – quite often without the young men who have been killed

Not around here they aren’t. They’re fit young men who should pick up arms and fight for their families.

12) Favourable treatment for asylum-seekers – they are still getting less favourable treatment than anyone on income-related benefits that incidentally covers all housing costs. There is one point to prevent unscrupulous landlords ripping them off over gas and electricity meters but that doesn’t cost the taxpayer a penny; it is not favourable treatment to require the landlord to make repairs as that is actually a legal requirement for all landlords of residential property with weekly tenancies and that again doesn’t cost the taxpayer a penny

Unless the landlord is receiving a decent rent he won’t let the property. So don’t try to tell me it costs next to sod all.

It would take too long to explain why I consider half-a-dozen other statements to be false so I will end this post with
15) “As for a sppoilt brat that would sum you up pratt. You are obviously a racist Nu-Labour supporting toadie who would rather give your taxes to help the world and his wife, rather than some of our own poverty-stricken people, disgusting!”
As I am not a spoilt brat, nor racist, nor have I ever supported New Labour, nor am I a toadie, and I do use Gift Aid to divert some of my income from tax to support some of the poorest people in Britain, that makes five lies in one semi-coherent rant.

It is not possible to debate immigration with a racist BNP supporter.

The debate simply ends.

John. Which parts of this debate are we lying about?

I’m still waiting for a reply!
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Mark

I believe Marks post deserves an answer. It’s no good you liberals just saying, “You BNP lot are just racist etc.” You sound like the kid who takes his bat and ball home because someone had the audacity to bowl him out.

These BNP supporters make me sad. They deliberately cut themselves off from other people, and take pride in mutilating their own potential.

They boast about their negativity without seeing their own loss.

He claims there is a secret set of instructions from the Home Office that requires higher standards for immigrants than natives – well that doesn’t match with what actually happened.

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It’s not secret anymore the Home Office Joint Tenbancy Agreement has been exposed and it does give much higher standards of support for immigrants, can you not read?

As for a sppoilt brat that would sum you up pratt. You are obviously a racist Nu-Labour supporting toadie who would rather give your taxes to help the world and his wife, rather than some of our own poverty-stricken people, disgusting!

Can the bigots here not now bugger off rather than bring back a dead thread?
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If you think it’s a dead thread and obviously doesn’t interest you anymore then why have you posted on it then dumbo? Do you just not like having your Far-Left lies torn apart?

For the record if you refer to me, I am no bigot just a realist, and somebody who can see the destruction of his country and culture and doesn’t like it. It is people like you who are the real bigots who try and impose your warped world view of a multicultural Shangri-La onto everyone else!

If you agree that Britain should show compassion to some asylum seekers, or refugees from disasters elsewhere, then why nit-pick about their housing and heating and allowances?

Either we offer compassion to fellow human beings or we don’t.

In the article that opens this thread Cath says she worked with asylum seekers, and that the BNP leaflet was full of lies.

The choice anyone has to make is whether to believe a person who has worked on the ground here in Norwich, or to believe someone miles from here who is a supporter of the racist BNP.

I believe Cath.
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I am probably wasting my time but here goes!

The problem is many, indeed most of the immigrants coming here are not worthy of our compassion, these people who cross half the world to come here are not asylum-seekers/refugees they are infact illegal, economic immigrants. Why do they pass through France (which is a safe European democracy last time I looked), because they view Britain as a land of Milk and Honey, as loony labour bend over backwards for them, giving them far more than their own people, which is a disgrace!

I am certainly not nit-picking over their housing and heating allowances, etc, I think it is an absolute disgrace that these people, unfortunate or not are given all this help when many of our own people are in poverty and given no or very little support, for example we have many of our pensioners living in abject poverty, many homeless or people living in cramped and poor conditions, elderly having to sell their homes to pay for care homes, millions unemployed, millions on housing lists, many patients told they cannot have drugs on the NHS for life-threatening conditions such as cancer because of the cost!

Cath working with asylum-seekers gives her a vested interest in this asylum fraud continuing then doesn’t it, so no impartial view from her do you not agree?

Also the Home Office Joint Tenancy Agreement is an official government document now exposed and out in the public domain, and details the way our taxpayer’s money is abused in catering for these bogus asylum-seekers in stark contrast to the way Labour treats its own people!

The only party full of lies is Nu-Labour and its sychophants.

As for racism, it is not racist to look after your own people as that is what every other ethnic-minority group in this country is doing, funded by Nu-Labour.

Who are the Black police association, muslim police association, Operation blackvote, etc looking after its certainly not white british people yet these organizations are all funded and supported by New Labour. Also New Labour have made it legal to discriminate in favour of ethnics over white men in employment, so who is the REAL RACIST party!

New Labour and supporters such as yourself are the REAL RACISTS!

You seem to be accepting the principle, but then at the same time, rejecting it.

That doesn’t make much sense to me.

Either I believe your theories of some sort of governmental secret conspiracy to give more to asylum seekers than others, or I don’t.

I don’t.

I suppose we have reached impasse.