…You mean the Palestinians?

So unless you are willing to condemn Arab growth on the disputed land, and Arab colonialism, and Arab theft of the land it is logical to conclude that your singling out Israeli Jews is in fact anti-Semitism. I live in the Detroit Michigan area, if you wish to sue me, have fun…

I’ll be lenient today, Michael & just settle for this: you’re the sort of scum that makes internet debating largely not worth bothering with. If you can’t tell an anti-imperialist from an anti-semite then get the fuck out & don’t come back until you’ve read some fucking books.

Declaration of Principles – Main Points
13 Sep 1993

2. The DOP does not Prejudge the Permanent Status:

The DOP specifically states that permanent status issues, such as Jerusalem, refugees, settlements, security arrangements and borders are to be excluded from the interim arrangements and that the outcome of the permanent status talks should not be prejudged or preempted by the interim arrangements.

The Wye River Memorandum
(October 23, 1998)

IV. PERMANENT STATUS NEGOTIATIONS

The two sides will immediately resume permanent status negotiations on an accelerated basis and will make a determined effort to achieve the mutual goal of reaching an agreement by May 4, 1999. The negotiations will be continuous and without interruption. The U.S. has expressed its willingness to facilitate these negotiations.

The Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum
(September 4, 1999)

1. Permanent Status negotiations:

1. In the context of the implementation of the prior agreements, the two Sides will resume the Permanent Status negotiations in an accelerated manner and will make a determined effort to achieve their mutual goal of reaching a Permanent Status Agreement based on the agreed agenda i.e. the specific issues reserved for Permanent Status negotiators and other issues of common interest.
2. The two Sides reaffirm their understanding that the negotiations on the Permanent Status will lead to the implementation of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338;
3. The two Sides will make a determined effort to conclude a Framework Agreement on all Permanent Status issues in five months from the resumption of the Permanent Status negotiations;
4. The two Sides will conclude a comprehensive agreement on all Permanent Status issues within one year from the resumption of the Permanent Status negotiations;
5. Permanent Status negotiations will resume after the implementation of the first stage of release of prisoners and the second stage of the First and Second Further Redeployments and not later than September 13, 1999. In the Wye River Memorandum, the United States has expressed its willingness to facilitate these negotiations.

What do you suppose Saeb Erekat was talking about this past June when he stated, “The peace process has been moving at the speed of a tortoise . . . Netanyahu has flipped it over on its back. [His] speech closed the door to permanent status negotiations”

Everyone seems to be talking about “permanent status negotiations except a few letters of the alphabet. It is hard to prove a negative assertion. If you claim there is a brder perhaps you can show us where it is and why everyone…oh, in the entire freaking world is talking about negotiating a border, but you? Didn’t think so….

needless to say, he neglected to say who they were.He then went on a smearing distraction.

Whether other states are discriminatory makes no more difference now than it did at comment 35.

Is there any meat to your argument Michael?

As to Apartheid, Jews are banned and boycotted from large parts of the Middle East where they once flourished. Jordan (East Palestine), where no Jew is allowed to live, occupies 75% of Palestine, where did you learn your math, No Jew U?

The ICJ did not make a judgment on the borders, and if it is implied that they did it is of no value to the discussion. The ruling was a politically motivated, non-binding “opinion” worth little more than the tissue I use to wipe my smelly rear with.

If there is pay for what I do, please sign me up.

Perhaps Michael LeFavour is part of this scam:
http://www.kibush.co.il/show_file.asp?num=34520

Still, the continued land and resource theft means that a 2 state solution will never happen. To greedy for their own good you see…..

All things are relevant, James. If you agree that the Jordanians practice something worse than the governing method you condemn in Israel then it is logical that you and Mr White have produced a volume of writing condemning said government commensurate with the outrage. Lacking this, a reader can only assume your motivations lie outside the realm of compassionate human rights advocacy as I suspect.

Because settlers are stealing land. It doesn’t matter whether they’ve done this in a neat fashion or not.

And what would you say they practice in Saudi Arabia or neighboring Jordan where it is illegal to be a Jew just for comparison?

They practice something heinous but irrelevant to our discussion.

The South African Human Sciences research Council thinks it a valid analogy:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10578.shtml

I wonder who might be bettter qualified to decide?

Because I refuse to consider Palestinians as human beings with rights and will never bother to look at this conflict from a perspective I don’t already agree with, I FIND REASONS to change the subject whenever THEY ARE mentioned and talk about something else.

Also I like to accuse the left of IGNORING human rights abuses that I myself never, ever, ever, ever do anything practical about except to use as a reason for ignoring injustices done to Arabs committed by my government and its allies with my approval.

I live with my withered conscience through a combination of unprovoked resentment and COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. Youlibsyoujustdontgetitdoyou?

Israel/Palestine really is not “like” any of these things in any historical sense, and legally most of the parallels are tenuous and fragmentary. It’s its own tight little world of pain. If commentators want the right to claim credibility when pronouncing on the rights, wrongs, ins, and outs of it, then they should stop reaching for lame ass analogies.

As far as the Rome Statute, how many Jews are equal citizens in the society you champion? Calling for a discussion on how Israel is an apartheid state is cynical and shows a fundamental lack of morality.

Any control Israel maintains over the Arabs calling themselves Palestinians is a defensive mechanism brought on by mass murder, incitement to genocide, and a complete disregard of internationally accepted norms of behavior on the part of the Arabs you are enamored with.

The only fair comparison to apartheid and Israel is the fact that the Muslim world has segregated through persecution the majority of ts Jewish population, barred them from returning, boycotted, and under threat of violence confined them to a tiny bantustan that they wish to reduce in size even more. And ill advised crusaders such as yourself fail to see the irony of it.