Comments on: Cheers Tim, but we already know what Fascists are

By: Leslie

Leslie — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:24:17 +0000

On tour in beautiful OZ so staying at friend’s.
Think Nathanial meant Dorries had an “AFFAIR” with Tim Montgomerie not you Bob laugh !!

I read this too in TimesOnLine. Dorries states she had an affair with Tim, not shy about what she does is she !!

By: Nathanial

Nathanial — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:39:40 +0000

I see my comment wasn’t published and yet it was certainly not ill mannered.
Is this because Nadine Dorries has stated that she had an affaird with you ? Well she did state this in TimesOn Line and I notice you have never said a wrong word against her.
I happen to know her from living in Liverpool a long time ago and this MP does mot live in the world of reality. Let us hope she will not be re-elected.
Regards. Nathanial.

By: Bilal H

Bilal H — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:38:53 +0000

‘WTF – I didn’t even see Bilal’s comments here. Clearly they violate the policy. Please fuck off Bilal. Any more comments will be deleted.’

Ok but then clearly most of the comentators on this site have violated the policy. But since this is your site I suppose you can single out whoever you want. (Oh, by the way, fuck you)

By: Emily

Emily — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:05:16 +0000

Good point, MikeSC!

By: MikeSC

MikeSC — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:57:46 +0000

It’s funny how the “centre-right” blogosphere is up in arms about Nick Griffin getting egged, as an affront to democracy. When Prescott got egged it was a good laugh, though, right?

Why is it a joke when Prezza gets egged, or when Mandelson gets gunged, but you’re sympathetic when Nick Griffin gets egged?

By: the a&e charge nurse

the a&e charge nurse — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:02:22 +0000

[93] Please fuck off Bilal

He hee, Sunny – you will be violating your OWN policy if you’re not careful !!

By: Shatterface

Shatterface — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:42:46 +0000

Vulpus_Rex (77): by that reasoning any Tory who defeats a sitting Labour councilor is ‘left-wing’

Cuckoo!

By: Sunny Hundal

Sunny Hundal — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:26:20 +0000

WTF – I didn’t even see Bilal’s comments here. Clearly they violate the policy. Please fuck off Bilal. Any more comments will be deleted.

By: Alan Thomas

Alan Thomas — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:54:36 +0000

Bilal: prove it. Tell us about atuff you’ve written elsewhere, about your political allegiances, all of that. Bit of a biog.

By: The BNP is far-right!: My two cents « Raincoat Optimism

The BNP is far-right!: My two cents « Raincoat Optimism — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:16:10 +0000

[...] in the blog world has Tim Montgomerie (amongst others, Hannan included) saying the BNP are “if not a Far-Left political organisation, then one that should not be identified as belonging to the….” Montgomerie had planned to write a letter to the BBC asking for it to properly define the [...]

By: Sam

Sam — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:29:13 +0000

Too common. Tories tend to think purely in terms of economics and broad ideological brushstrokes. They tend to ignore the ostensibly subtle differences between fascism and statist socialism. What differentiates the two most, I think, is that one pursues an explicitly nationalist as opposed to internationalist agenda. That Socialism/Communism tends to define struggle in terms of class antagonism is what distinguishes it from paleogenetic ultranationalism. Moreover, the aims of socialists and fascists are of course completely different. Even if the means are the same – a claim repudiated by specialists – the desired outcomes are very different…Pisses me off, this conflation. It’s a nasty American habit that’s made its way into the Tory party. Nothing worse than clumsy thinking.

By: Richard (the original)

Richard (the original) — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:15:22 +0000

“Economics is just something they don’t especially care about, something they vaguely recognise they have to get through. A routine chore before they can get to the meaty stuff about race war.”

Tell that to Oswald Mosley (ok, I know he’s dead). The BUF were concerned primarily with economics when they started up, Mosley’s book The Greater Britain (basically his fascist manifesto) was almost entirely about economics.

By: Bilal H

Bilal H — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:37:57 +0000

“Yes, this hypocritical sexual bullying of women is really despicable. Especially within the context of a discussion against discriminatory politics.”

? What ? What is this in answer to? Who is hypocritically bullying women?

And in answer to Alan’ question: I am not a member of the BNP and I doubt they would admit me into their party even if I wanted to join (which I don’t). I actually don’t vote at all at elections. Also, I’m not sure how my views could be considered as fascist by any reasonable standard.

By: Neil

Neil — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:15:17 +0000

@johnb@83: Although it’s also not such a novel observation when you consider how the far-right spent the whole 1980s funding Islamic terrorism, aaaah.

By: ace

ace — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:58:33 +0000

Alan @ 85 – so that is what they are reduced to now. That would make sense too – BNP member hiding behind Islamic fundamentalism when actually most of their views converge really well together.
Maybe next time Griffin et al come to town I will throw bacon rather than eggs just to really piss them off!!

By: Alan Thomas

Alan Thomas — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:51:30 +0000

Bilal, you wouldn’t happen to be a white fascist writing under a pseudonym would you? Just a little hunch of mine…

By: Emily

Emily — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:59:29 +0000

Yes, this hypocritical sexual bullying of women is really despicable. Especially within the context of a discussion against discriminatory politics.

By: john b

john b — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:59:13 +0000

It’s not a novel observation, but it is a true one, that the far-right (whether BNP scum or Mad Mel fringe) hate all the same things about modern society that hardline Islamists hate. We’re lucky the Islamists and the far-right-ists are both too dim & bigoted to understand that and ally with each other… for now at least.

By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:54:09 +0000

Ah I guess you are a B.N.P. supporter but you have conceded that we Muslims are allies in the fight against the ultra-left anti-family fanatics. In this case you should support us since we are the only morally serious section of the British population left.

Oops, sory, I see you spotted that too!

By: cjcjc

cjcjc — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:52:15 +0000

Look at the animalistic sexual incontinence of white Britons and the mass production of feral children by white English sluts

You can call her what you like but I’ll call her nasty slut and her toyboy a motherf—g piece of shit.

Bilal – wow – don’t hold back!

Thing is, Griffin probably thinks the same!!

By: Sean Mc

Sean Mc — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:43:37 +0000

@ 79

In fairness, LFaT, I think both of them deserve to have far worse things thrown at them.

By: Letters From A Tory

Letters From A Tory — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:16:07 +0000

75 Sean Mc: fair enough, perhaps I should have condemned the greening of Mandelson as well as condemning the egging of Nick Griffin. After all, one of them has made a career out of deceit and dishonesty over their true political beliefs and intentions, while the other is the leader of the BNP.

By: ace

ace — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:43:15 +0000

Hey Bilal, do me a favour and fuck off mate. If it is sooo fucking bad in this country then leave and live in a Muslim country – fucking simple really. And by the way, the Church is not dead as recent immigrants are packing out churches, just go to any 7th Day Adventist church, Baptist church etc that Africans inparticular prefer to attend.
I’m just glad that you are your kind are a minority within the muslim community – a bit like the BNP.

By: vulpus_rex

vulpus_rex — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:21:16 +0000

Re – the BNP tight or left:

Were the two BNP MEPs elecetd in:

a) the tory voting shires of southern England

b) the tradtional labour voting heartlands of northern England?

By: Bilal H

Bilal H — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:49:57 +0000

‘By the way, it’s not very nice to call women “sluts”. In fact, it’s pretty nasty. I will never support someone who thinks that kind of misogynist thinking is ok, or who prefers to gloss over the male’s role in procreation…’

No. The men are as much to blame, but since women are the ultimate deciders in whether the sexual act can take place, women don’t have to consent to it. (if they don’t consent, its called rape wheras this cannot really happen vice versa – if a man doesnt want sex with a woman, it doesnt happen) And I don’t call all women sluts. Look in today’s newspapers. What about the 26 year old woman who has abandoned her 6 children (by four fathers) in order to move in with her 18 year old toy-boy? You can call her what you like but I’ll call her nasty slut and her toyboy a motherf—g piece of shit. Anyway this has strayed from the subject of the thread.