Racists can achieve these things – aphartheid South Africa was very well run.

No it wasn’t, it was economically stagnant. Because – spook – the deliberate restriction of all important jobs in a country to a small minority of that country is a dramatically bad idea. It was just made to look better because it was surrounded by failed states. The fact that it was actively destabilising these states may not be unrelated.

Yep, and the trains ran on time in Nazi Germany as well…

Some people never fucking learn…

Racists can achieve these things – aphartheid South Africa was very well run.

see what i mean?

Well, it is, isn’t it? My attitude is pretty much “Fuck Them, Because Fuck Them”.

Pretty much the only lesson we can draw about the opinions of BNP voters are that a) Oooh, they don’t like foreigners much, do they? and b) They’re not afraid to cast their votes for a party filled with stupid, violent, racist thugs whose ranks have included people who spent their youth baseball-batting minorities and reading far too many books about Hitler, and whose members have a worrying tendency to hoard fertiliser and talk enthusiastically about “Race War”.

These are not traits any political party is about to emulate, nor should they, so I suggest that BNP voters should continue to vote for the BNP in all elections. Then, when their bins aren’t being emptied and their houses don’t have electricity because running a local council is actually quite difficult compared to ganging together and battering a Pakistani teenager, the rest of us can decide whether or not to help them out of the hole they’ve dug themselves into.

I’m a strong believer in democracy, you know – BNP voters clearly know what they want and I, for one, hope they get it good and hard.

And that feeling of superiority…there’s just nothing like it, is there?

I wouldn’t know son – I’m too busy tucking into some Pinot Grigot and foix gras on the gilded balcony of my ivory tower while the serving boys perfume my fine leather shoes to consider such matters. Frankly, condescending to speak to a rough-handed, coal mining son of toil like yourself is a terrible indignity to my person, you utter berk.

This is nothing more than an attempt to conceal what BNP voters are…

Well, one thing they are – or at least were – is Labour voters.

0155 Professor John Curtice of Strathclyde University says: The Labour Party were clearly the principal losers where the BNP’s vote went up most. In areas where the BNP vote went up by more than three points their vote was down by eight points, whereas where the BNP’s vote fell Labour’s vote fell by only five points. This three-point difference is much bigger than the equivalent statistics for the Conservatives and Lib Dems. In contrast, above-average UKIP increases in their share of the vote seemed to have hurt all of the Westminster parties. Thus, it seems possible that UKIP may have picked up some of the anti-Labour protest vote as well as pinching votes from the Conservatives.

In other words, a large, perhaps the largest, element in the rise of the BNP is the death of the Labour Party. Their sheer unpopularity has deprived a large section of the electorate of a party to vote for. They won’t vote Tory, the Lib Dems are too middle class – who else is there? In Scotland, of course, there’s the SNP – how did they do? In Wales there’s Plaid. The BNP vote is almost exclusively an anti-Labour protest.

This should be at least partially slef-correcting. Once back in opposition, Labour will be able to articulate the grievances of the poor far more stridently in the knowledge they don’t have to do anything about it. That, coupled with the Tories inevitable loss in popularity, ought to see these ghastly, god-awful racists safely back under the Labour banner. Problem solved.

It’s happened before, of course. People usually attribute the collapse of the NF to the fact that Thatcher pandered to them. Looking at where their support base was, it’s more likely that the (racist, stupid etc) anti-Government vote of the NF cheerfully returned to Labour, after leaving it during the 1970s.

And that feeling of superiority…there’s just nothing like it, is there?

You rightists and your ridiculous speech codes and politically correct phraseology – why, next you’ll be telling me that we’ll all have to call the next BNP member caught in posession of nailbombs and guns a “victim”, rather than a terrorist! As if the BNP voter is driven to his extreme beliefs by the mere existence of foreigners, and is not responsible for his own despicable responses!

This is nothing more than an attempt to conceal what BNP voters are – racists, plain and simple – behind a thin veneer of PC mumbo-jumbo, and I for one am not having it. You trendy Daily Mailies with your stodgy, lardy food and your expensive real ales might think you can pull the wool over the eyes of the ordinary, hard-working Briton with your fancy talk, but by God you’ll get such a thrashing if you try that stuff up Islington way!

But immigration has costs and benefits which are not evenly distributed.
It is (in general) the poor who bear those costs and the rich who benefit.

Denouncing those who are affected as “racist” may (obviously does) make you feel better but does nothing to solve the problem about which you claim to be so concerned.

Correct.

I didn’t know people could have allergic reactions to immigrants that cause their brains to melt. Worst than peanuts, that’s for sure.

Oooh, you almost got me with those nasty little claws there, missy. Swish!

Perhaps the Hope Not Hate campaign could use your help…

Speaking as someone who has no attachment to any political party, can I say that I agree with the above statement – calling BNP voters racist probably won’t win them back.

Nor will calling them pig-ignorant boneheads or small-minded cretins; nor glowering, self-pitying morons or slack-jawed, bigoted idiots. Or thick twats. OTOH, doing so would at least have the virtue of accuracy, thus avoiding the usual charge of “political correctness” levelled at those who tend to use more polite language.

In all honesty, who believes that anyone loopy enough to vote for the bag-of-shit-through-the-Pakistani-shopkeeper’s-letterbox Party can be “won back”? The only way that could happen is surely in the same sense that Terry Schiavo’s parents could’ve “won her back” had their court case succeeded, I suspect.

Labour’s collapse really is a thing of beauty isn’t it.
Voters didn’t punish the “three main parties” did they?
They punished Labour alone.

Of course ironically this is so bad that it has saved Gordon.
Another 11 months of joy ahead then!

1 Iraq – Lies, lies and more lies

2 Pensions – mine is worth less this year than last – thanks Gordon!

3 Civil Liberties – 42 days, Busy-bodies on every corner, Walter Wolfgang, Bonkers ECHR legislation – we can’t even expel the cunts that hate us – in fact, we fund them and their bigamous marriages.

4 I’m an atheist – but we are almost persecuting the religious. Leave them alone Their consciences – however much we disagree, need to be respected.

5 The Poor – where are the media campaigns to target the boss class filth that have stolen money from poor people in this country. Benefits – bad, bailout – GOOD!

6 The EU – remember when we were going to engage? Yeah, me too. Didn’t happen.

7 Expenses – only shitting their pants because they got found found out – after repeated attempts to keep it all secret…

I could go on… but I’m sure you get the gist…

Without UKIP as a major force, I imagine that a monumental swing to the Tories will occur and they will scoop up presently Labour seats in droves.

Even if a straight Lab to Tory swing in the Lab-Tory marginals doesn’t occur, the Tories will clean up in vast swathes of England if the Labour vote stays at home. FPTP simply requires you to come at the head of the field. Look at the Council elections. The map of the shires is solid blue.

Well, can’t really predict GE’s from it but the labour collapse is stunning and certainly suggests bad things. I think a tory majority is very clear, and on Liberal performances in the SW in locals and today the only worry the tories have is how many they will gain from them.

Second, The Tories will need a monumental swing of support, while also not losing out anything to the Lib Dems to get anything near above what Labour have as a majority.

This will deliver the Tories, what, a 300 seat majority at the General Election? Psephologists please advise.

If you think tonight feels bad, just wait for the General Election.

I hope all those piss weak establishment liberals who have spent the past few years defending boaden, frei, webb et al are pleased with themselves.