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		<title>By: Liberal Conspiracy &#187; While Labour fiddles&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-50298</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Conspiracy &#187; While Labour fiddles&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As reported here recently, Barnet council and its financial team - that group of fiscal legends best known for investing (riskily) £27m in Icelandic banks, where the whole pile tanked - claim they need to find £12m in savings to balance books compromised by inadequate central government settlements (ie, it&#8217;s Labour&#8217;s fault - a point that Labour rubbishes, for what it&#8217;s worth), inflation, and a desire to keep council tax increases below three percent as local and national elections loom. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As reported here recently, Barnet council and its financial team &#8211; that group of fiscal legends best known for investing (riskily) £27m in Icelandic banks, where the whole pile tanked &#8211; claim they need to find £12m in savings to balance books compromised by inadequate central government settlements (ie, it&#8217;s Labour&#8217;s fault &#8211; a point that Labour rubbishes, for what it&#8217;s worth), inflation, and a desire to keep council tax increases below three percent as local and national elections loom. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vernony</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48294</link>
		<dc:creator>Vernony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Dale , the demise of Sheltered Housing is due to new wave thinking. The younger put their faith in assistive technology, but statistics do not bear this out. There are increasing statistics of people being found &#039;far too late&#039; , sometimes up to five weeks after they had fallen,  and they had all the alarm systems in place. The problem is that the elderly often feel faint and dizzy or have an arrhythmic heart every day of their waking lives . There is nothing to tell them that &#039;today&#039; it is different and by the time they have hit the floor it is too late. Add to this confusion in old age,: They do not want to make a fuss or lose face so they don&#039;t call a doctor, this latter type need a face to face confrontation with somebody, such as the Warden, to advise them if they should call a doctor, or an ambulance, or not ! An observant Warden can predict or sense a change of behavior and keep an eye on the individual or alert their relatives.

Regardless of the aforesaid, my opinion is that if a person was promised a warden when they first moved into Sheltered Housing then a contract was formed at that point. It does not have to be written an &#039;implied contract&#039; can be just as binding . To unilaterally withdraw a contract calls for a legal response, together with demands for reinstatement and damages for breach of contract

Kind regards

Vernon J Yarker
Chairman
The Sheltered Housing UK Association
www.shelteredhousinguk.com
mailbox@shelteredhousinguk.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Dale , the demise of Sheltered Housing is due to new wave thinking. The younger put their faith in assistive technology, but statistics do not bear this out. There are increasing statistics of people being found &#8216;far too late&#8217; , sometimes up to five weeks after they had fallen,  and they had all the alarm systems in place. The problem is that the elderly often feel faint and dizzy or have an arrhythmic heart every day of their waking lives . There is nothing to tell them that &#8216;today&#8217; it is different and by the time they have hit the floor it is too late. Add to this confusion in old age,: They do not want to make a fuss or lose face so they don&#8217;t call a doctor, this latter type need a face to face confrontation with somebody, such as the Warden, to advise them if they should call a doctor, or an ambulance, or not ! An observant Warden can predict or sense a change of behavior and keep an eye on the individual or alert their relatives.</p>
<p>Regardless of the aforesaid, my opinion is that if a person was promised a warden when they first moved into Sheltered Housing then a contract was formed at that point. It does not have to be written an &#8216;implied contract&#8217; can be just as binding . To unilaterally withdraw a contract calls for a legal response, together with demands for reinstatement and damages for breach of contract</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Vernon J Yarker<br />
Chairman<br />
The Sheltered Housing UK Association<br />
<a href="http://www.shelteredhousinguk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shelteredhousinguk.com</a><br />
<a href="mailto:mailbox@shelteredhousinguk.com">mailbox@shelteredhousinguk.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48160</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points, Dale. 

I guess I would say that, firstly, there are options other than restructuring - giving less to consultants would be one (from my own time in local government, I remember figures in the region of £200,000 for change management programmes, etc. Barnet has apparently spent several hundred thousands pounds on consultancy on its future shape proposals - easily enough to at least partially preserve the sheltered warden scheme if you want to think of it that way. Those sorts of figures go on and on). 

Secondly, when management restructures, it generally does so to the detriment of the service and the people lower down the hierarchy - the cleaners, careworkers, housing officers, etc, who actually provide the service. Management certainly doesn&#039;t restructure itself out of a job - at one of the councils I worked at, for example, the number of people earning more than £50,000 had doubled in the previous five years or so. I think you&#039;re right when you say the issue is one of political will. Perhaps as the recession bites, and public services get scarcer - it seems very likely that Cameron will cut public sector funding, and impossible to believe that public sector cuts won&#039;t be a consequence of the banking bailout for whomever is next in government - a closer look will be taken at council priorities and budget allocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points, Dale. </p>
<p>I guess I would say that, firstly, there are options other than restructuring &#8211; giving less to consultants would be one (from my own time in local government, I remember figures in the region of £200,000 for change management programmes, etc. Barnet has apparently spent several hundred thousands pounds on consultancy on its future shape proposals &#8211; easily enough to at least partially preserve the sheltered warden scheme if you want to think of it that way. Those sorts of figures go on and on). </p>
<p>Secondly, when management restructures, it generally does so to the detriment of the service and the people lower down the hierarchy &#8211; the cleaners, careworkers, housing officers, etc, who actually provide the service. Management certainly doesn&#8217;t restructure itself out of a job &#8211; at one of the councils I worked at, for example, the number of people earning more than £50,000 had doubled in the previous five years or so. I think you&#8217;re right when you say the issue is one of political will. Perhaps as the recession bites, and public services get scarcer &#8211; it seems very likely that Cameron will cut public sector funding, and impossible to believe that public sector cuts won&#8217;t be a consequence of the banking bailout for whomever is next in government &#8211; a closer look will be taken at council priorities and budget allocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48155</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I mentioned justifying the warden services I was only talking in relation to the guidelines we were obliged to work under. The council could have funded these services separately but were unwilling to do so. If the political will was there then I&#039;m sure the money would have been found.

A huge problem with sheltered housing and social services is that the numbers of older people are increasing. To continue with a similar provision would require more money, which would need more than a few cuts in &#039;PC&#039; schemes to fund. Unfortunately councils have frequently shown themselves incompetent to manage the funds they&#039;re given, and the public are unwilling to pay higher taxes.  This just leaves management the option of &#039;restructuring&#039;. So sevices are cut and people lose their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I mentioned justifying the warden services I was only talking in relation to the guidelines we were obliged to work under. The council could have funded these services separately but were unwilling to do so. If the political will was there then I&#8217;m sure the money would have been found.</p>
<p>A huge problem with sheltered housing and social services is that the numbers of older people are increasing. To continue with a similar provision would require more money, which would need more than a few cuts in &#8216;PC&#8217; schemes to fund. Unfortunately councils have frequently shown themselves incompetent to manage the funds they&#8217;re given, and the public are unwilling to pay higher taxes.  This just leaves management the option of &#8216;restructuring&#8217;. So sevices are cut and people lose their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48090</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the matter of privatising public services, we seem so often to do it differently from other EU countries while obeying the same EU laws - health and public transport come to mind fairly quickly. Maybe its the same for social housing, but I&#039;m no expert in that area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the matter of privatising public services, we seem so often to do it differently from other EU countries while obeying the same EU laws &#8211; health and public transport come to mind fairly quickly. Maybe its the same for social housing, but I&#8217;m no expert in that area.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48087</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Pagar, Lilliput and all -  this is your big problem in local government: PC and whatever lunacy at one end, and capitalist nutters at the other end doing things like gambling in Iceland and with the likes of Jarvis, etc, even as the likes of Jarvis, etc, swish down the toilet, and nobody much doing anything normal - like making sure there&#039;s enough left over to keep wardens in sheltered housing for people who only went into sheltered housing because there were wardens.

Etc.

Does my head in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Pagar, Lilliput and all &#8211;  this is your big problem in local government: PC and whatever lunacy at one end, and capitalist nutters at the other end doing things like gambling in Iceland and with the likes of Jarvis, etc, even as the likes of Jarvis, etc, swish down the toilet, and nobody much doing anything normal &#8211; like making sure there&#8217;s enough left over to keep wardens in sheltered housing for people who only went into sheltered housing because there were wardens.</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>Does my head in.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48086</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know if that means privatisation is obligatory under EU law (someone may have more information on this - I do know tender law for public sector contracts is covered by EU law) - what it may mean is that there are incentives to privatise.&quot;

I think the EU leans a bit more heavily on postal service privatisation which is why I used that example specifically. But you are right, that incentives might play a role too (or the idea of &quot;best practice&quot; devised centrally). In such cases, local opposition might be able to make greater headway but if the incentives are always pushing towards a particular model, then all local democratic movements will have an uphill battle to oppose it. Of course, I am, in principle, favourable to more private provision anyway. But I am always suspicious of state-led privatisation plans which rarely seem genuinely to be interested in empowering consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t know if that means privatisation is obligatory under EU law (someone may have more information on this &#8211; I do know tender law for public sector contracts is covered by EU law) &#8211; what it may mean is that there are incentives to privatise.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the EU leans a bit more heavily on postal service privatisation which is why I used that example specifically. But you are right, that incentives might play a role too (or the idea of &#8220;best practice&#8221; devised centrally). In such cases, local opposition might be able to make greater headway but if the incentives are always pushing towards a particular model, then all local democratic movements will have an uphill battle to oppose it. Of course, I am, in principle, favourable to more private provision anyway. But I am always suspicious of state-led privatisation plans which rarely seem genuinely to be interested in empowering consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilliput</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48074</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilliput</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Pagar - Its PC Lunacy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Pagar &#8211; Its PC Lunacy!</p>
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		<title>By: pagar</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48037</link>
		<dc:creator>pagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Local Authority are trying to close and sell off a significant proportion of our  libraries, sport centres etc because they have no money.

And yet, at the same time, they can afford to fund an &quot;Equality Watch Team&quot; . 

In fact, they must do so because otherwise they would not be able to comply with the statutory requirement from Central Government to carry out Equality Impact Assessments throughout the region.

I&#039;m telling you, it&#039;s not Orwellian, it&#039;s fucking Kafkaesque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Local Authority are trying to close and sell off a significant proportion of our  libraries, sport centres etc because they have no money.</p>
<p>And yet, at the same time, they can afford to fund an &#8220;Equality Watch Team&#8221; . </p>
<p>In fact, they must do so because otherwise they would not be able to comply with the statutory requirement from Central Government to carry out Equality Impact Assessments throughout the region.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m telling you, it&#8217;s not Orwellian, it&#8217;s fucking Kafkaesque.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48021</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly with support for people in care homes and nursing home with LA funding the system has changed, as I have just found out: social work section of the LA and support nurses working together, which is much better than the situation as recently as 4 years ago. So my ancient mother, who will have to move soon from care home to nursing home, now has a joint team not only supporting her and the care home but also helping to find a suitable nursing home or three for us to go and assess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly with support for people in care homes and nursing home with LA funding the system has changed, as I have just found out: social work section of the LA and support nurses working together, which is much better than the situation as recently as 4 years ago. So my ancient mother, who will have to move soon from care home to nursing home, now has a joint team not only supporting her and the care home but also helping to find a suitable nursing home or three for us to go and assess.</p>
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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48008</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m by no means an expert on this and could be totally wrong, but I thought councils were getting millions more in Supporting People budgets which are being moved over from PCTs? That doesn&#039;t mean extra cash for services, because the responsibility moves over as well, but it does give local councils more power to make decisions and prioritise within their budget.

Hopefully someone can clarify that as I&#039;m a bit hazy on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m by no means an expert on this and could be totally wrong, but I thought councils were getting millions more in Supporting People budgets which are being moved over from PCTs? That doesn&#8217;t mean extra cash for services, because the responsibility moves over as well, but it does give local councils more power to make decisions and prioritise within their budget.</p>
<p>Hopefully someone can clarify that as I&#8217;m a bit hazy on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Vernony</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48005</link>
		<dc:creator>Vernony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thank you &#039;Dale&#039; for a local government point of view. However, the situation in Sheltered Housing has nothing to do with the credit crunch. It was decided by central government back in 2003, when they took the support side of Sheltered Housing out of the Housing Benefit (for those on benefits - not all residents in Sheltered Housing are) and relocated them in the Supporting People budget along with those with learning difficulties and drug addicts. They then underfunded the Supporting People budget. The justification for Wardens you speak of comes from the residents themselves. They opted to live in Sheltered Housing normally &#039;because it had a warden&#039; , it is therefore fulfilling a need expressed by the elderly. The justification is, therefore, that you are providing that service to meet that need, and in the knowledge that some things do not always translate easily to a questionnaire 

http://shelteredhousinguk.com/page14/page14.html

Questions have also been raised in Kate&#039;s blog about what Floating Support does and the above link will help provide some of the information that readers seek 

Sincerely 

Vernon J Yarker
Chairman
The Sheltered Housing UK Association
www.shelteredhousinguk.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thank you &#8216;Dale&#8217; for a local government point of view. However, the situation in Sheltered Housing has nothing to do with the credit crunch. It was decided by central government back in 2003, when they took the support side of Sheltered Housing out of the Housing Benefit (for those on benefits &#8211; not all residents in Sheltered Housing are) and relocated them in the Supporting People budget along with those with learning difficulties and drug addicts. They then underfunded the Supporting People budget. The justification for Wardens you speak of comes from the residents themselves. They opted to live in Sheltered Housing normally &#8216;because it had a warden&#8217; , it is therefore fulfilling a need expressed by the elderly. The justification is, therefore, that you are providing that service to meet that need, and in the knowledge that some things do not always translate easily to a questionnaire </p>
<p><a href="http://shelteredhousinguk.com/page14/page14.html" rel="nofollow">http://shelteredhousinguk.com/page14/page14.html</a></p>
<p>Questions have also been raised in Kate&#8217;s blog about what Floating Support does and the above link will help provide some of the information that readers seek </p>
<p>Sincerely </p>
<p>Vernon J Yarker<br />
Chairman<br />
The Sheltered Housing UK Association<br />
<a href="http://www.shelteredhousinguk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shelteredhousinguk.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48003</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sadly people are angry because they have not got a house, why is that, it&#039;s Thatcher, well actually it&#039;s because new labour has not built a single bloody council house, Blaming the Tories for what labour has not do is totally a waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sadly people are angry because they have not got a house, why is that, it&#8217;s Thatcher, well actually it&#8217;s because new labour has not built a single bloody council house, Blaming the Tories for what labour has not do is totally a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-48002</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - I agree very much that the blame for issues presented - to staff and services - by privatisation rests at the doors of central and local government in many of these cases - a local council may outsource a service, for example, but it&#039;s the lack of robustness around TUPE legislation, for example, that is at least in part responsible for the deterioration in salaries and terms and conditions that outsourced staff so often suffer.

Found your last line interesting, though - it is certainly true that protestors often don&#039;t realise exactly who is responsible for their problems - but surely protest can achieve more than bemusement? The refinery workers who went out earlier this year appeared to, and there is some evidence that protest AND presentation of service provision alternatives has beaten privatisation plans - Newcastle staff managed to keep IT services inhouse after presenting council with an alternative plan, and Bristol staff and unions did the same with care services. I don&#039;t know if that means privatisation is obligatory under EU law (someone may have more information on this - I do know tender law for public sector contracts is covered by EU law) - what it may mean is that there are incentives to privatise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; I agree very much that the blame for issues presented &#8211; to staff and services &#8211; by privatisation rests at the doors of central and local government in many of these cases &#8211; a local council may outsource a service, for example, but it&#8217;s the lack of robustness around TUPE legislation, for example, that is at least in part responsible for the deterioration in salaries and terms and conditions that outsourced staff so often suffer.</p>
<p>Found your last line interesting, though &#8211; it is certainly true that protestors often don&#8217;t realise exactly who is responsible for their problems &#8211; but surely protest can achieve more than bemusement? The refinery workers who went out earlier this year appeared to, and there is some evidence that protest AND presentation of service provision alternatives has beaten privatisation plans &#8211; Newcastle staff managed to keep IT services inhouse after presenting council with an alternative plan, and Bristol staff and unions did the same with care services. I don&#8217;t know if that means privatisation is obligatory under EU law (someone may have more information on this &#8211; I do know tender law for public sector contracts is covered by EU law) &#8211; what it may mean is that there are incentives to privatise.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local Govt is another area where the  Westminster parliament has taken its eye off the ball, allowing the Executive to dump on Local Councils as (with its equally inept Whitehall) it invents more and more expensive and flawed centrally designed (and often centrally operated) services. We keep on hearing of MPs (my own, who is not Labour, included) saying they have been objecting to this and that, but then too many of them either vote for or abstain... They ought to have realised that the central bullying stopped in 2007, so they should literally be counted through the right lobbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local Govt is another area where the  Westminster parliament has taken its eye off the ball, allowing the Executive to dump on Local Councils as (with its equally inept Whitehall) it invents more and more expensive and flawed centrally designed (and often centrally operated) services. We keep on hearing of MPs (my own, who is not Labour, included) saying they have been objecting to this and that, but then too many of them either vote for or abstain&#8230; They ought to have realised that the central bullying stopped in 2007, so they should literally be counted through the right lobbies.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-47990</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what Dale&#039;s post illustrates is that it can often be difficult to know who you are meant to be protesting against; central or local government? If central, which department, and which policy are the changes being enacted under? Is the local council genuinely squeezed or could it really afford to keep things running if they got management staff to take a 20% pay cut during the hard time? These are difficult questions, and is one of the reasons why greater localism is required before these issues could be dealt with the sensibly.

It is a rather similar situation with post offices. I see campaigns being launched from sites like these all the time campaigning to stop post office privitisation. But, so far as I understand it, some sort of privitisation is now obligatory under EU law, meaning that campaigning to parliament about it is just gonna produce some bemusement and little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Dale&#8217;s post illustrates is that it can often be difficult to know who you are meant to be protesting against; central or local government? If central, which department, and which policy are the changes being enacted under? Is the local council genuinely squeezed or could it really afford to keep things running if they got management staff to take a 20% pay cut during the hard time? These are difficult questions, and is one of the reasons why greater localism is required before these issues could be dealt with the sensibly.</p>
<p>It is a rather similar situation with post offices. I see campaigns being launched from sites like these all the time campaigning to stop post office privitisation. But, so far as I understand it, some sort of privitisation is now obligatory under EU law, meaning that campaigning to parliament about it is just gonna produce some bemusement and little more.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-47987</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points, Dale - but I think the main issue you raise there is the one at the end - that council budgets are likely to shrink further as national debt worsens, and there are already questions about the priorities chosen for public money. 

Barnet council - as it would - claims it&#039;s being squeezed by worsening settlements from a Labour government. 

That doesn&#039;t change the fact that the council ill-advisedly invested - and lost, at least thus far - nearly £30m in Iceland, or that it has chosen to spend hundreds and thousands of pounds on consultancy and support as it draws up models for its future shape outsourcing programme. 

Asking extremely vulnerable people like sheltered housing residents to make a contribution of nearly £1m to at £12m shortfall starts looking like poor prioritisation in those contexts. Is it - (and this is the question sheltered housing residents were asking when I talked to them) - a question of budgets being impossibly tight, or of other priorities being found for money? People who have been reading stories about moats and duckhouses are not inclined to easily accept the arguments that budgets are tight all round.
 
Re: floating service - the point I was really trying to make there was about the reluctance of the council guy to explain how Barnet&#039;s version of a floating service for these residents would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points, Dale &#8211; but I think the main issue you raise there is the one at the end &#8211; that council budgets are likely to shrink further as national debt worsens, and there are already questions about the priorities chosen for public money. </p>
<p>Barnet council &#8211; as it would &#8211; claims it&#8217;s being squeezed by worsening settlements from a Labour government. </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the council ill-advisedly invested &#8211; and lost, at least thus far &#8211; nearly £30m in Iceland, or that it has chosen to spend hundreds and thousands of pounds on consultancy and support as it draws up models for its future shape outsourcing programme. </p>
<p>Asking extremely vulnerable people like sheltered housing residents to make a contribution of nearly £1m to at £12m shortfall starts looking like poor prioritisation in those contexts. Is it &#8211; (and this is the question sheltered housing residents were asking when I talked to them) &#8211; a question of budgets being impossibly tight, or of other priorities being found for money? People who have been reading stories about moats and duckhouses are not inclined to easily accept the arguments that budgets are tight all round.</p>
<p>Re: floating service &#8211; the point I was really trying to make there was about the reluctance of the council guy to explain how Barnet&#8217;s version of a floating service for these residents would work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-47985</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Floating support is a standard term used in supported housing. Check spkweb.org.uk or similar for details of provision.   The reason why sheltered housing are losing on-site wardens is due to pressures on local councils to ensure their &#039;supporting people&#039; budgets are spent only on supported housing provision. Wardens would often carry out additional tasks that would not be eligible for the ring fenced budget. Social care budgets would have to pay for these, and these budgets are often stretched as it is. Note that floating support provision would almost certainly be in addition to any alarm based system used.  I used to work for a local council and tried very hard to justify the cost of the warden services, but compared to the other services we funded it was very difficult. Especially as we were in a environment where our budget was shrinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Floating support is a standard term used in supported housing. Check spkweb.org.uk or similar for details of provision.   The reason why sheltered housing are losing on-site wardens is due to pressures on local councils to ensure their &#8217;supporting people&#8217; budgets are spent only on supported housing provision. Wardens would often carry out additional tasks that would not be eligible for the ring fenced budget. Social care budgets would have to pay for these, and these budgets are often stretched as it is. Note that floating support provision would almost certainly be in addition to any alarm based system used.  I used to work for a local council and tried very hard to justify the cost of the warden services, but compared to the other services we funded it was very difficult. Especially as we were in a environment where our budget was shrinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-47978</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t they charmers?</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Bienkov</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/31/the-other-kind-of-tory-housing/#comment-47975</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Bienkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 19:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that the councillor responsible for this scheme, moved her own mother out of one of the affected homes shortly before the scheme was announced says it all:

http://www.barnet-today.co.uk/tn/News.cfm?id=7801&amp;headline=Councillor%20targeting%20OAP%20homesâ??%20wardens%20denies%20impropriety%20on%20mumâ??s%20move</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the councillor responsible for this scheme, moved her own mother out of one of the affected homes shortly before the scheme was announced says it all:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barnet-today.co.uk/tn/News.cfm?id=7801&amp;headline=Councillor%20targeting%20OAP%20homesâ??%20wardens%20denies%20impropriety%20on%20mumâ??s%20move" rel="nofollow">http://www.barnet-today.co.uk/tn/News.cfm?id=7801&amp;headline=Councillor%20targeting%20OAP%20homesâ??%20wardens%20denies%20impropriety%20on%20mumâ??s%20move</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Mac &#124; The other kind of Tory housing… &#124; Download Free Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 19:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>The other kind of Tory housing…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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