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	<title>Comments on: How churnalists become friends to the BNP</title>
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		<title>By: Now we can expose the real BNP &#124; Newpapers Collected</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-49168</link>
		<dc:creator>Now we can expose the real BNP &#124; Newpapers Collected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It might force the media to re-evaluate how their churnalism aids the BNP. Rather than simply asking them inane questions about whether it is the racist party, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Now we can expose the real BNP - Front Page News - NewsSpotz</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-49156</link>
		<dc:creator>Now we can expose the real BNP - Front Page News - NewsSpotz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not have to come at the expense of my dreams&quot;.5. It might force the media to re-evaluate how their churnalism aids the BNP. Rather than simply asking them inane questions about whether it is the racist party, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not have to come at the expense of my dreams&quot;.5. It might force the media to re-evaluate how their churnalism aids the BNP. Rather than simply asking them inane questions about whether it is the racist party, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Williams</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75039</link>
		<dc:creator>James Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Churnalism playing in to the hands of the BNP -  http://bit.ly/UPDT0&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jw3609/status/2074845966&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Churnalism playing in to the hands of the BNP &#8211;  <a href="http://bit.ly/UPDT0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/UPDT0</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/jw3609/status/2074845966">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: The BNP are right &#171; Left Outside</title>
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		<dc:creator>The BNP are right &#171; Left Outside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] journalists don&#8217;t do their job. When they say &#8220;aww, look at the BNP supporters, they&#8217;re not so bad,&#8221; they are saying &#8220;vote [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] journalists don&#8217;t do their job. When they say &#8220;aww, look at the BNP supporters, they&#8217;re not so bad,&#8221; they are saying &#8220;vote [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don… &#124; Marriage Blog</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47947</link>
		<dc:creator>Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don… &#124; Marriage Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don’t the people who live in a state have any right to decide who they offer to sha... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don&#8230; &#171; Talk Islam</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47940</link>
		<dc:creator>Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don&#8230; &#171; Talk Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Right-wing dumbness: And after all, don’t the people who live in a state have any right to decide who they offer to sha... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Twitted by Andrew_Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by Andrew_Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was Twitted by Andrew_Taylor - Real-url.org [...]</description>
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		<title>By: just visiting</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47838</link>
		<dc:creator>just visiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laban

Excellent question - and one that folks seem reluctant to grasp.

The answer being avoided is I guess obvious but politically incorrect for those who consider enmity with BNP as more important than anything else (like those who here have said that fascists should not have freedom of speech unlike the rest of us).

Yes, the native Brits surely ought to have a say in how the country is expanded and what sort of culture shifts are desireable.</description>
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<p>Excellent question &#8211; and one that folks seem reluctant to grasp.</p>
<p>The answer being avoided is I guess obvious but politically incorrect for those who consider enmity with BNP as more important than anything else (like those who here have said that fascists should not have freedom of speech unlike the rest of us).</p>
<p>Yes, the native Brits surely ought to have a say in how the country is expanded and what sort of culture shifts are desireable.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Gerrard</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75040</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Gerrard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @adreviews: &quot;Claims slipped in unchecked &amp; unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists http://sn.im/ixki5 http://sn.im/ixkgl&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/owengerrard/status/1949668813&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @adreviews: &quot;Claims slipped in unchecked &amp; unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists <a href="http://sn.im/ixki5" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixki5</a> <a href="http://sn.im/ixkgl" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixkgl</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/owengerrard/status/1949668813">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Carl Eve</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47785</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the &quot;my blog, my rules&quot; explanation... how very Iain Dale of you. 

As I recall, the ninth comment was pretty concise. Something about me asking you a question. 

What I shouldn&#039;t have asked you was have you ever worked in a newsroom or do you understand the rules a local reporter has to work from.

As for the it wasn&#039;t a jab at one person jibe? So, you put the reporter&#039;s e-mail up on your site just to encourage people to send him birthday greetings then? How charming.

Let&#039;s just leave it with I agree with the initial article being a bit wet and their approach being a bit flacid, but we won&#039;t ever agree on the way you think local papers should criticise the BNP on every single article during the run up to an election. That&#039;s not the way local papers work, which is what I think the real editor of that real paper pointed out to you. 

Meanwhile, keep on coming with those critical articles about your local &quot;friends of the BNP&quot; rag and hope the PSP and knitting world mags don&#039;t fold.

Consider myself knocked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the &#8220;my blog, my rules&#8221; explanation&#8230; how very Iain Dale of you. </p>
<p>As I recall, the ninth comment was pretty concise. Something about me asking you a question. </p>
<p>What I shouldn&#8217;t have asked you was have you ever worked in a newsroom or do you understand the rules a local reporter has to work from.</p>
<p>As for the it wasn&#8217;t a jab at one person jibe? So, you put the reporter&#8217;s e-mail up on your site just to encourage people to send him birthday greetings then? How charming.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just leave it with I agree with the initial article being a bit wet and their approach being a bit flacid, but we won&#8217;t ever agree on the way you think local papers should criticise the BNP on every single article during the run up to an election. That&#8217;s not the way local papers work, which is what I think the real editor of that real paper pointed out to you. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, keep on coming with those critical articles about your local &#8220;friends of the BNP&#8221; rag and hope the PSP and knitting world mags don&#8217;t fold.</p>
<p>Consider myself knocked out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Ditum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-85602</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Ditum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/r244xf I have a troll know. Feel almost proud of him. Like a bit of blogger flair.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/r244xf" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/r244xf</a> I have a troll know. Feel almost proud of him. Like a bit of blogger flair.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Ditum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47731</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Ditum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, the word churnalism implies all the cutbacks that make it happen - like I said, this is about a broken process, not a jab at one person. And I don&#039;t think free speech is worth much without responsibility, which is why I have a problem with the original article. Deleting your ninth incredibly long comment was a moderation decision on my own blog (think of me as the Paperhouse editor and you as the hack who went over his wordcount), but by all means knock yourself out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, the word churnalism implies all the cutbacks that make it happen &#8211; like I said, this is about a broken process, not a jab at one person. And I don&#8217;t think free speech is worth much without responsibility, which is why I have a problem with the original article. Deleting your ninth incredibly long comment was a moderation decision on my own blog (think of me as the Paperhouse editor and you as the hack who went over his wordcount), but by all means knock yourself out here.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Gerrard</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75375</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Gerrard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 10:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @adreviews: &quot;Claims slipped in unchecked &amp; unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists http://sn.im/ixki5 http://sn.im/ixkgl&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/owengerrard/status/1949668813&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @adreviews: &quot;Claims slipped in unchecked &amp; unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists <a href="http://sn.im/ixki5" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixki5</a> <a href="http://sn.im/ixkgl" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixkgl</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/owengerrard/status/1949668813">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Carl Eve</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47719</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A more accuracte headline would be &quot;how cutbacks by large newspaper companies, often run by foreign businessmen, have resulted in fewer local reporters having to desperately still fill large swathes of their paper and foolishly chucking out gumpf which allow psuedo-reporters-cum-bloggers to point the finger and accuse the piss-poorly paid hacks to being &#039;friends&#039; of the BNP&quot;.

Your title&#039;s definitely snappier. Oh, and as this isn&#039;t your blog Sarah, it appears this time you can&#039;t &quot;moderate&quot; this comment into blog-oblivion or call a halt to comments as and when you see fit. 

But then hey, that&#039;s free speech, eh? What an irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A more accuracte headline would be &#8220;how cutbacks by large newspaper companies, often run by foreign businessmen, have resulted in fewer local reporters having to desperately still fill large swathes of their paper and foolishly chucking out gumpf which allow psuedo-reporters-cum-bloggers to point the finger and accuse the piss-poorly paid hacks to being &#8216;friends&#8217; of the BNP&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your title&#8217;s definitely snappier. Oh, and as this isn&#8217;t your blog Sarah, it appears this time you can&#8217;t &#8220;moderate&#8221; this comment into blog-oblivion or call a halt to comments as and when you see fit. </p>
<p>But then hey, that&#8217;s free speech, eh? What an irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Dhanendran</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75041</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Dhanendran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists http://sn.im/ixki5 http://sn.im/ixkgl&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">&#8220;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&#8221;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists <a href="http://sn.im/ixki5" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixki5</a> <a href="http://sn.im/ixkgl" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixkgl</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Anthony Dhanendran</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75042</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Dhanendran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 09:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists http://sn.im/ixki5 http://sn.im/ixkgl&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">&quot;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists <a href="http://sn.im/ixki5" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixki5</a> <a href="http://sn.im/ixkgl" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixkgl</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Sarah Ditum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-85601</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Ditum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/r244xf I have a troll now. Feel almost proud of him. Like a bit of blogger flair.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/r244xf" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/r244xf</a> I have a troll now. Feel almost proud of him. Like a bit of blogger flair.</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Dhanendran</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75589</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Dhanendran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;&quot;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&quot;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists http://sn.im/ixki5 http://sn.im/ixkgl&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">&#8220;Claims slipped in unchecked and unopposed&#8221;: how lazy journalism is helping the fascists <a href="http://sn.im/ixki5" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixki5</a> <a href="http://sn.im/ixkgl" rel="nofollow">http://sn.im/ixkgl</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/adreviews/status/1945547430">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: Laban Tall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47685</link>
		<dc:creator>Laban Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s hateful &quot;Because it’s a phrase direct from BNP literature.&quot;

But it might still be true, even if it&#039;s in BNP literature. I know it&#039;s an awful thought but all the same ...

&quot;it overturns the whole tradition of citizenship being granted to people because they’re born in a state or because they choose to live in that state&quot;

I&#039;m not in favour of overturning tradition either. But I don&#039;t think UK tradition HAS been to grant citizenship based either on birth or on someone choosing - without reference to the wishes of that state&#039;s citizens - to live in a particular state. 

And after all, don&#039;t the people who live in a state have any right to decide who they offer to share it with ? Do Palestinians not have a right ? Or are they racist bigots if they oppose Israeli settlements on the West Bank ?  Did the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, not have a right ? Or does a piece of land belong to whoever can maintain themselves on it by whatever means and whoever the previous inhabitants were ? Doesn&#039;t sound very liberal to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s hateful &#8220;Because it’s a phrase direct from BNP literature.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it might still be true, even if it&#8217;s in BNP literature. I know it&#8217;s an awful thought but all the same &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;it overturns the whole tradition of citizenship being granted to people because they’re born in a state or because they choose to live in that state&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in favour of overturning tradition either. But I don&#8217;t think UK tradition HAS been to grant citizenship based either on birth or on someone choosing &#8211; without reference to the wishes of that state&#8217;s citizens &#8211; to live in a particular state. </p>
<p>And after all, don&#8217;t the people who live in a state have any right to decide who they offer to share it with ? Do Palestinians not have a right ? Or are they racist bigots if they oppose Israeli settlements on the West Bank ?  Did the Native Americans, the Aboriginal Australians, not have a right ? Or does a piece of land belong to whoever can maintain themselves on it by whatever means and whoever the previous inhabitants were ? Doesn&#8217;t sound very liberal to me.</p>
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		<title>By: GW</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47681</link>
		<dc:creator>GW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A preference for one&#039;s own racial group appears to be universal, though it is often implicit, expressing itself in the form of voluntary segregation - e.g. liberal whites fleeing the inner cities as soon as their children reach school age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A preference for one&#8217;s own racial group appears to be universal, though it is often implicit, expressing itself in the form of voluntary segregation &#8211; e.g. liberal whites fleeing the inner cities as soon as their children reach school age.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Ditum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47678</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Ditum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it&#039;s a phrase direct from BNP literature. Google it, and the only direct uses (without quote marks and without qualification) are from BNP or other white-rights sources. And because it overturns the whole tradition of citizenship being granted to people because they&#039;re born in a state or because they choose to live in that state in favour of the idea that your citizenship is predicated on ethnicity.

See? I didn&#039;t even have to mention that the whole idea of discrete, concrete races is bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it&#8217;s a phrase direct from BNP literature. Google it, and the only direct uses (without quote marks and without qualification) are from BNP or other white-rights sources. And because it overturns the whole tradition of citizenship being granted to people because they&#8217;re born in a state or because they choose to live in that state in favour of the idea that your citizenship is predicated on ethnicity.</p>
<p>See? I didn&#8217;t even have to mention that the whole idea of discrete, concrete races is bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Laban Tall</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47677</link>
		<dc:creator>Laban Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... that hateful little unattributed phrase, “white ethnic indigenous British people”

clumsy little phrase, perhaps - we&#039;re all ethnic, aren&#039;t we ?

But what&#039;s so hateful about the rest, other than the redundancy of &#039;white&#039; ? For good or ill, the indigenous British ARE white - or pink, to be more exact. Nothing to be proud (or ashamed) of in that, it&#039;s just the historical reality. 

(I&#039;m hoping, not with any great optimism, that you won&#039;t start the &#039;what&#039;s indigenous British&#039; game. I know we all came from Africa a very long time ago. But I wouldn&#039;t, for example, in the context of European immigration to America, call the Native Americans just another set of immigrants because they came from Siberia more than ten thousand years ago. They&#039;d been there a long time. As have the Native Brits. Though not as long, excepting (maybe) the Celts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. that hateful little unattributed phrase, “white ethnic indigenous British people”</p>
<p>clumsy little phrase, perhaps &#8211; we&#8217;re all ethnic, aren&#8217;t we ?</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s so hateful about the rest, other than the redundancy of &#8216;white&#8217; ? For good or ill, the indigenous British ARE white &#8211; or pink, to be more exact. Nothing to be proud (or ashamed) of in that, it&#8217;s just the historical reality. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m hoping, not with any great optimism, that you won&#8217;t start the &#8216;what&#8217;s indigenous British&#8217; game. I know we all came from Africa a very long time ago. But I wouldn&#8217;t, for example, in the context of European immigration to America, call the Native Americans just another set of immigrants because they came from Siberia more than ten thousand years ago. They&#8217;d been there a long time. As have the Native Brits. Though not as long, excepting (maybe) the Celts).</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-05-27 &#171; Embololalia</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47656</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-05-27 &#171; Embololalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Liberal Conspiracy » How churnalists become friends to the BNP &#124; creating a new liberal-left allian... This is churnalism at work. The BNP’s claims about ethnicity slipped into the editorial unchecked and unopposed, and were then dispersed among the other Daily Mail And General Trust journals in the area. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Liberal Conspiracy » How churnalists become friends to the BNP | creating a new liberal-left allian&#8230; This is churnalism at work. The BNP’s claims about ethnicity slipped into the editorial unchecked and unopposed, and were then dispersed among the other Daily Mail And General Trust journals in the area. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-47611</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!

I think the BBC is also at fault here. The coverage around the Queen&#039;s Palace invitation was so cringingly bad, a journalist actually asked something like, &#039;&lt;i&gt;But what do you say to people who think you&#039;re not the sort of person who should be invited to the Queen&#039;s palace&lt;/i&gt;&#039;. As far as I&#039;ve seen, they&#039;ve not mentioned anywhere the fake people used in the BNP flyer and asked them to respond to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!</p>
<p>I think the BBC is also at fault here. The coverage around the Queen&#8217;s Palace invitation was so cringingly bad, a journalist actually asked something like, &#8216;<i>But what do you say to people who think you&#8217;re not the sort of person who should be invited to the Queen&#8217;s palace</i>&#8216;. As far as I&#8217;ve seen, they&#8217;ve not mentioned anywhere the fake people used in the BNP flyer and asked them to respond to that.</p>
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		<title>By: sunny hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/27/how-churnalists-become-friends-to-the-bnp/#comment-75043</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Great article by @sarahditum on Libcon: How churnalists become friends to the BNP - http://bit.ly/UPDT0&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/pickledpolitics/status/1935736441&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Great article by @sarahditum on Libcon: How churnalists become friends to the BNP &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/UPDT0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/UPDT0</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/pickledpolitics/status/1935736441">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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