Lord Ahmed denies allegations in the Spectator that he had “threatened the House of Lords authorities that he would bring a force of 10,000 Muslims to lay siege to the Lords if Wilders was allowed to speak”. Lord Ahmed told The Times that he was considering legal action against the Spectator. A spokesman for the House of Lords did not comment on the allegation. Lord Ahmed said he had received “dozens if not hundreds of hate mail and threats as a result of Fitna” but told The Times he would not protest the screening of the film in Mr Wilders’ absence.

Please stop spreading rumours that have not been substantiated.

However there is a bar on religious fundamentalists calling for the deaths of Jews, homosexuals and ’slags’ on dancefloors.

Wilders is not calling for violence, nor is his film expected to cause violence among his supporters: it is fear of reprisals that have caused the ban and once again the government has proved itself to be cowardly in the face of religious threats.

Thanks.

“If we’re prepared to let Wilders be banned from entry, we have to know this is a tactic the government will find ways to use against socialists.”

Does that include national socialists?

“Obviously that’s not a factor right at the moment, since socialism is only gradually re-emerging to challenge capitalism once more,”

FFS, get out of the 19thC

“ but free movement within Europe should be a general principle that we uphold. “

Errr? Is that the free movement of labour so loved by the free-market capitalists?

“That’s a different question – one which I would like to see the House of Lords called to vote on. In terms of what is permitted and what isn’t, the House of Lords should self-regulate – and I suspect and hope that they would vote down the showing of the video on the grounds that it is a shameless caricature of the Islamic religion, not to mention over-simplistic as regards the causes of terrorism.”

Do we want politicians debating the authenticity, the bias and portrayal of every film about a sensitive subject?

“Moreover, his argument (see here for example) is Idealist twaddle.”
A socialist criticising “idealist twaddle”??

“Apologist for Islamic terror I am not; the terrorists must bear the responsibility of their actions. Yet so must the policies of the West and the policies of the Asian and African ruling classes, policies which have seen capitalism run rampant through these cultures,”

As opposed to socialism, which was used by the leaders of numerous Asian and African nations to justify slaughtering and subjugating millions of their own people.

Interesting speech from Wilders. A brave man in our present climate. I think he over-eggs it somewhat, but he does represent the concerns of a lot of people. I do, however, have a major problem. His main issue is with the level of immigration and the threats to Dutch identity and culture. He is wrong to direct this at the immigrants. Instead, he should direct his anger at the ruling left-leaning (and wholly hypocritical) white middle-classes, who are responsible for the policies.

Can someone explain why they think he is a fascist?

How lame is this country if we’re too scared to listen to the views of someone we disagree with? If we really believed in our liberal values we’d let him in, give him a platform then defeat him in debate.

Perfect point made, sir!

I don’t know. But many people are refused entry before entering the UK just in case they do decide to settle here, even when it seems unlikely. Deportation is legally difficult and expensive. The main way the UK prevents immigration is by refusing entry. So (and it’s only an aside) it amuses me that those people who tend to want to refuse entry to most foreigners are making an exception for a guy who, if he isn’t a fascist, isn’t far off.

It does seem a little bit hypocritical to complain about immigration and then in the same breath to complain about this Dutch MP being refused entry to the country.

Does Wilders intend to settle here?

I am also pretty sure that the boisterous demands from the Islamic community in the Netherlands does not have all that much to do with global justice – just the usual reactionary (especially reactionary in this case) interest groups trying to carve out a space within their community in which they can oppress individuals with near impunity. That is pretty abrasive when it comes against the fairly strong Liberal values that inhere Dutch society.

The Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, Chris Huhne, said that while it was important to defend freedom of speech, Wilders “has overstepped the line that should be defended in a civilised society”.

Fucking hell. Not amused.

Not the first time Muslims have threatened the UK with violence unless we do as we are told . The BMC`s wish for us to change our foreign Policy so as to please thenm ..or else , springs to mind and many individual threats were made by ” Community leaders ”

‘It is as rational as demanding that our leaders run the country with astrologers as their closest advisors. There is no contribution to be made by Wilders’ film, or by Geert Wilders himself, ‘

I would say much the same about internationalist socialists which is more cranky and less likely to represent anyone

Not the first time Muslims have threatened the UK with violence under some queasy disguise unless we do as we are told . The BMC`s wish for us to change our foreign Policy so as to please thenm ..or else , springs to mind and many threats were made . So now we are a no – go area . Great