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		<title>By: Carnival on Modern Liberty. Part the Third. &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33717</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival on Modern Liberty. Part the Third. &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] action you can take without leaving your armchair! Unity at Liberal Conspiracy whisks the velvet cloth off Factcheck UK, a collective site to be launched on Monday. The aim, much in line with Channel 4&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] action you can take without leaving your armchair! Unity at Liberal Conspiracy whisks the velvet cloth off Factcheck UK, a collective site to be launched on Monday. The aim, much in line with Channel 4&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sim-O</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33209</link>
		<dc:creator>Sim-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comes from the spooky sound you make while wiggling your fingers at children while telling a ghost story: ‘Woooooh!!’ 

heh. I like it. It&#039;s probably right. It reminds me of witch-doctory type of goings on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comes from the spooky sound you make while wiggling your fingers at children while telling a ghost story: ‘Woooooh!!’ </p>
<p>heh. I like it. It&#8217;s probably right. It reminds me of witch-doctory type of goings on.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33175</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t sure if it was an acronym for something specific or if it just comes from the spooky sound you make while wiggling your fingers at children while telling a ghost story: &#039;Woooooh!!&#039; 

I usually pick up slang rather quickly and I made a fair guess at the word&#039;s meaning from the context but I&#039;m interested in the derivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t sure if it was an acronym for something specific or if it just comes from the spooky sound you make while wiggling your fingers at children while telling a ghost story: &#8216;Woooooh!!&#8217; </p>
<p>I usually pick up slang rather quickly and I made a fair guess at the word&#8217;s meaning from the context but I&#8217;m interested in the derivation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sim-O</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33173</link>
		<dc:creator>Sim-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;what does ‘woo’ mean?&lt;/em&gt;

I think basically, bullshit trying to be presented as proper science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>what does ‘woo’ mean?</em></p>
<p>I think basically, bullshit trying to be presented as proper science.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33134</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fantastic idea! 

Just one question though - what does &#039;woo&#039; mean? 

I&#039;ve seen it used on sites like Ben Goldacre&#039;s Bad Science but I&#039;ve not seen a proper definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic idea! </p>
<p>Just one question though &#8211; what does &#8216;woo&#8217; mean? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen it used on sites like Ben Goldacre&#8217;s Bad Science but I&#8217;ve not seen a proper definition.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33106</link>
		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unity - I think Rob sort of has a point on post length (not this time, this post took like 2mins to read) but in general you tend to be very thorough, which I like because I can take a whole day to read one blog post at work, but newbies coming to a site for the first time are inevitably going to find it heavy going. Might I suggest that the site have a recommended word limit (of, say, 800 words exc. blockquotes) in order to make it more accessible?

And/or perhaps a &quot;summary judgement&quot; section right at the top that lays out the key points either above the fold or in the sidebar. People are hopefully going to use the site as a resource, but only if it&#039;s eeasy to do so. With enough gravitas, journalists themselves will begin to refer to the site, and since you&#039;ve already concluded that they are mostly lazy talentless hacks then making it easy for them to get an unbiased opinion on a topic they don&#039;t understand (science particularly) might help raise the quality of journalism too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unity &#8211; I think Rob sort of has a point on post length (not this time, this post took like 2mins to read) but in general you tend to be very thorough, which I like because I can take a whole day to read one blog post at work, but newbies coming to a site for the first time are inevitably going to find it heavy going. Might I suggest that the site have a recommended word limit (of, say, 800 words exc. blockquotes) in order to make it more accessible?</p>
<p>And/or perhaps a &#8220;summary judgement&#8221; section right at the top that lays out the key points either above the fold or in the sidebar. People are hopefully going to use the site as a resource, but only if it&#8217;s eeasy to do so. With enough gravitas, journalists themselves will begin to refer to the site, and since you&#8217;ve already concluded that they are mostly lazy talentless hacks then making it easy for them to get an unbiased opinion on a topic they don&#8217;t understand (science particularly) might help raise the quality of journalism too.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33104</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, under what category would we put yesterdays Guardian story about belief in education?&lt;/i&gt;

I dunno about the article but its based on a 72 page defence of NOMA which, as usual, fails to address Dawkin&#039;s argument regarding addressing the question of the existence of god in probabilistic terms, so I&#039;d put the report under the Dr Phibes Award for bad science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, under what category would we put yesterdays Guardian story about belief in education?</i></p>
<p>I dunno about the article but its based on a 72 page defence of NOMA which, as usual, fails to address Dawkin&#8217;s argument regarding addressing the question of the existence of god in probabilistic terms, so I&#8217;d put the report under the Dr Phibes Award for bad science.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33097</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, I’m slightly worried that this will descend into a “we don’t like these people’s opinions” exercise.&lt;/i&gt;

Hence the shortlisting and asking for links/evidence rather than just a list of the most popular nominations.

We&#039;ll be looking, first and foremost, for outright lies, errors of material fact, fallacious arguments and the wholesale burning of strawmen as the criteria for shortlisting nominees, so its not going to be enough just to put people up because you disagree with their opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, I’m slightly worried that this will descend into a “we don’t like these people’s opinions” exercise.</i></p>
<p>Hence the shortlisting and asking for links/evidence rather than just a list of the most popular nominations.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be looking, first and foremost, for outright lies, errors of material fact, fallacious arguments and the wholesale burning of strawmen as the criteria for shortlisting nominees, so its not going to be enough just to put people up because you disagree with their opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Knight</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33086</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did that post really have to be so long?  Sorry, I know you must get this all the time, but my lunch break isn&#039;t two hours long.  I seriously think you&#039;d reach a larger and more appreciative audience if you were a little more concise :-(

Also, I&#039;m slightly worried that this will descend into a &quot;we don&#039;t like these people&#039;s opinions&quot; exercise.  Nobody has a monopoly on truth, even people who are right most of the time get it wrong every so often, and getting righteous about the rightness of one&#039;s own opinions will, by the law of averages, lead to some mistaken crusades every now and then.  Just something to bear in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did that post really have to be so long?  Sorry, I know you must get this all the time, but my lunch break isn&#8217;t two hours long.  I seriously think you&#8217;d reach a larger and more appreciative audience if you were a little more concise <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m slightly worried that this will descend into a &#8220;we don&#8217;t like these people&#8217;s opinions&#8221; exercise.  Nobody has a monopoly on truth, even people who are right most of the time get it wrong every so often, and getting righteous about the rightness of one&#8217;s own opinions will, by the law of averages, lead to some mistaken crusades every now and then.  Just something to bear in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullshitters beware &#124; Sim-O</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33083</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullshitters beware &#124; Sim-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LC: Monday 9th February is the launch date for FactCheck UK, a new blogger-driven project that aims to pull together some of the best talent from the British blogosphere and subject the veracity of Britain’s politicians and mainstream media to some much needed independent scrutiny. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] LC: Monday 9th February is the launch date for FactCheck UK, a new blogger-driven project that aims to pull together some of the best talent from the British blogosphere and subject the veracity of Britain’s politicians and mainstream media to some much needed independent scrutiny. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33082</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! *belief in &lt;i&gt;evolution&lt;/i&gt;* FFS, coffee not kicked in yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! *belief in <i>evolution</i>* FFS, coffee not kicked in yet.</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33081</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, under what category would we put &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/01/evolution-darwin-survey-creationism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yesterdays Guardian story&lt;/a&gt; about &lt;a href=&quot;http://community.livejournal.com/theyorkshergob/218311.html?thread=2499015#t2499015&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;belief in education&lt;/a&gt;? &lt;blockquote&gt;My problem is with the scaremongering reporting. 25% say it&#039;s true, 25% thinks it&#039;s probably true (which probably includes a lot of people who get how science works) and the other 50% includes a bunch of people who &quot;were unsure, often mixing evolution, intelligent design and creationism together&quot;.

In other words, 50% are fine with evolution, 12% think it&#039;s wrong and 38% don&#039;t know enough about it and would probably benefit from watching David&#039;s brilliant explanation on t&#039;telly this evening.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I was thinking as I booted up the PC that some sort of &quot;Bad Surveys&quot; site would be useful, I think it&#039;d fit right in with what you&#039;re planning anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, under what category would we put <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/01/evolution-darwin-survey-creationism" rel="nofollow">yesterdays Guardian story</a> about <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/theyorkshergob/218311.html?thread=2499015#t2499015" rel="nofollow">belief in education</a>?<br />
<blockquote>My problem is with the scaremongering reporting. 25% say it&#8217;s true, 25% thinks it&#8217;s probably true (which probably includes a lot of people who get how science works) and the other 50% includes a bunch of people who &#8220;were unsure, often mixing evolution, intelligent design and creationism together&#8221;.</p>
<p>In other words, 50% are fine with evolution, 12% think it&#8217;s wrong and 38% don&#8217;t know enough about it and would probably benefit from watching David&#8217;s brilliant explanation on t&#8217;telly this evening.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was thinking as I booted up the PC that some sort of &#8220;Bad Surveys&#8221; site would be useful, I think it&#8217;d fit right in with what you&#8217;re planning anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33067</link>
		<dc:creator>asquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget to berate Spiked Online in this exercise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget to berate Spiked Online in this exercise!</p>
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		<title>By: FactCheck UK/The Bullshit Awards 2009 &#124; Ministry of Truth</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33066</link>
		<dc:creator>FactCheck UK/The Bullshit Awards 2009 &#124; Ministry of Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cross-posted from Lib Con&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kate Belgrave</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33063</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Belgrave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I go the whore of babylon.... so many whores.... so many...</description>
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<p>Can I go the whore of babylon&#8230;. so many whores&#8230;. so many&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33061</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupendous Idea!</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33060</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take Bullshitter of the Year Award to sponsor! heh</description>
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		<title>By: FactCheck UK! &#171; Various Philosophies of Cynicism</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/02/02/factcheck-ukthe-bullshit-awards-2009/#comment-33059</link>
		<dc:creator>FactCheck UK! &#171; Various Philosophies of Cynicism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 1, 2009 &#183; No Comments  Posted by: Will Rhodes  Great concept and great Idea! [...]</description>
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