Creationism is about faith, not science. The existence of God (or indeed otherwise) is about faith, not science. Why do so many of the faithful have a need to prop up their beliefs with (faux) science?

Its obvious from this comment that you dont live in the real world.Debates are going on all the time with creationists and evolutionists.just to help you type in Google “creation v evolution debates and it will keep you going for months if not years

Dr Raymond V. Damadian – Inventor of the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging)
Dr. John R. Baumgardner (Geophysicist)
Dr Ian Macreadie (Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist)
Dr. Robert Gentry (nuclear physicist)
Emeritus Professor Tyndale John Rendle-Short – From (theistic) evolution to creation
Dr. D. Russell Humphreys
Physicist
plus many more “clowns” but just to many to list here!

Attenborough refuses to debate his views with Creationists because like Dawkins they feel it would just give them a platform they dont deserve (just a cop out methinks).

How do you imagine that sort of debate would look? The creationist has got little if anything in his arsenal that supports creationism or refutes evolution. I suspect Attenborough has better things to do with his time.

Wilder-Smith was a clown who not only actively promoted the Paluxy River hoax but whose work was littered with basic errors and falsehoods and Milton’s a conspiraloon who does little else but peddle pseudoscience.

Try again…

As Science Digest reported:

“Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities… Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science.”

Dr Arthur E WilderSmith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. 4 A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design.

“The Evolutionary model says that it is not necessary to assume the existence of anything, besides matter and energy, to produce life. That proposition is unscientific. We know perfectly well that if you leave matter to itself, it does not organize itself – in spite of all the efforts in recent years to prove that it does.” 5

Secular researcher Richard Milton summarized the current world situation: “Darwinism has never had much appeal for science outside of the English-speaking world, and has never appealed much to the American public (although popular with the U.S. scientific establishment in the past). However, its ascendancy in science, in both Britain and America, has been waning for several decades as its grip has weakened in successive areas: geology; paleontology; embryology; comparative anatomy. Now even geneticists are beginning to have doubts. It is only in mainstream molecular biology and zoology that Darwinism retains serious enthusiastic supporters. As growing numbers of scientists begin to drift away from neo-Darwinist ideas, the revision of Darwinism at the public level is long overdue, and is a process that I believe has already started.” 6 (copy/paste)

Archaelologists have found fragments of the gospels which date to the early 2nd century – by comparison the earliest texts we have for Roman documents of the time are several hundred years after the events they describe. Most scholars would argue that all 4 gospels were written down and circulating by 90AD. Up to that point the teaching of Jesus would have been memorised and passed on verbally, as most Jewish teaching was, and it was written down as the apostles started dying out.

Violence and fringe behaviour will always make better headlines than compassion, service and common sense. I really can’t understand the mindset of fellow Christians who’d want to send hate mail to anyone, but it’s also deeply frustrating that it’s these people, and the likes of Christian Voice, who we all get to hear about, rather than people who are being radically good.

It’s hardly a recent phenomenon. Christians have been sending people hate mail for years.

Firstly, I’m an atheist, and find creationism about as baffling as ideologies come.

However, this argument has a certain familiar ring to it, and that’s because it’s the precise same argument typically used to nail responsibility for terrorism onto your average British Muslim pensioner and so justify taking away their rights.

“Hey British Muslims, Al Muhajiroun believe in your God, and they’re getting their dumb ass ideas from your ‘holy’ book, so I figure maybe this is your responsibility…”

Still sound like a reasonable argument? You are now suddenly all for hounding your average British Muslim because they ‘allow’ Al Muhajiroun to spout hate?

The fact is that the average Christian is no more responsible for the acts of crazed fundamentalist letter writers than I (as a British left winger) am responsible for what is written on Harry’s Place.

Take the “quoted from The Times without question” fact about how the “ultra-conservative sect” Deobandi was infiltrating our mosques. Turns out, with a little digging around, that far from being the devil spawn itself, it is a complex movement which has conflicting views from country to country and what’s even more interesting

Then I looked beyond your other “facts” about popular opinion amongst Muslims in the UK and a strange and bizarre thing happened: I found that those were selective nonsense as well. For example, while Populous’ survey said Muslims were in favour of Sharia, a survey for the Spectator (of all things) found that Muslims were opposed to Sharia law. And then there’s the Centre for Social Cohesion report into Student Muslims which creates an even more complex view of Muslim society, as opposed to your fear of a savage wave of terrorists.

I find myself irritated when people make blasé comments based on rubbish, so excuse me.

Regrettably, that’s all your posts are. Misrepresentation, fabrication and assertion.

I am worried about you! This is not a joke!

Seriously dude, could you take the meds….

We’re directing it at Christians in this instance because the issue is Attenborough getting hate mail… from Christians.

I have unending amounts of criticism for some of the Muslim theocracies. I’ll start with anyone who contradicts my liberal worldview, I don’t discriminate. Christianity is justifiable as a target precisely because it is so prevalent and powerful in the UK.

On a side note, the only people I’ve had trouble from in real life over my religion have been fundie christians.
(I traded up for a Moon Goddess – the hours are better and the perks are awesome – but you do get people who just can’t let it lie. And they’ve all been Christians.)
I was replying based on Unity’s call to modify the book to represent what most UK Christians think their religion should be, which at the moment it doesn’t. So in fact every stage of this was relevant to the article or following comments, and not picking Christianity out for any special treatment.

I’m secularist, but not anti-theist. I’ll debate Muslim ethics as well, I’m quite well-read. Stop trying to change the subject from relevant and real UK issues to “why aren’t you bashing Muslim theocracies?”.

PS- The Bible is not comparable. It is a Library of very different texts and of far more ancient texts , this has always been understood .The relationship of the Old and New Testament is somewhat complex isn’t it ( Hint , they did not know it was BC…..) and much of the Old testament it has been interpreted allegorically ( as a prefiguring ) within the Christian tradition .
The Koran is far more a direct recipe for living in historical time and I am unconvinced that the tone the two religions is the same. Still , that need not concern us there are many perfectly nice Muslims.

Cretin ~ Newmania ’09

fucking ~ Newmania ’09

Do you have a copy of the Bible in which Jesus reconciles contempt with humility?

So it appears that while you believe in God, you also believe the rules and lessons of that God don’t apply to you.

And since you’re so determined to portray Islam in the rhetoric of Pope Urban II, I’ll remind you that anyone can play the out-of-context quotes game:

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; … Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. ~Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5

Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. ~ Samuel 15:2-3

We could continue this for a while, but I wouldn’t want to tax someone whose most advanced retort is cretin. The point is this; any of the ancient religions’ holy books has violence and the justifications for violence, Islam is not the regressive, ultra-violent religion you make it out to be, because the same criticisms can be levied against Christianity.

Unless you want to argue that John Sentamu, Archbishop of York, believes in a Christian Holy War against us godless atheists?

It was once called “Enthusiasm”

Unity thank you for responding , I am afraid your utilitarian reasons for not executing babies will not recommend you as a possible baby sitter. You have a common problem, you believe life is nothing and yet you behave as if it were something . Think on ….