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		<title>By: Jennie Rigg</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30947</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Rigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything the Lib Dems do is publicly debated, at least to some extent, if you can be arsed looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything the Lib Dems do is publicly debated, at least to some extent, if you can be arsed looking.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30918</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I expect Labour will do more to get its act together in several different spaces over the next six months. &lt;/i&gt;

Yup, I think its a work in progress, really.

&lt;i&gt; Perhaps more attention should be paid to how LibDems have approached this, particulalry on internal party discussion and debate.&lt;/i&gt;

Yup. But there is little of that publicly debated to get a sense of what was said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I expect Labour will do more to get its act together in several different spaces over the next six months. </i></p>
<p>Yup, I think its a work in progress, really.</p>
<p><i> Perhaps more attention should be paid to how LibDems have approached this, particulalry on internal party discussion and debate.</i></p>
<p>Yup. But there is little of that publicly debated to get a sense of what was said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sunder Katwala</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunder Katwala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. There is a lot of discussion about whether and what the right does well, and how whether either Labour or the broader progressive left needs to learn from that.  I think ConservativeHome is good at what it does (though I can&#039;t work out whether it justs reflects how much more right-wing the next generation of Conservative activists are than their own leadership, or helps to shift internal debate that way).

But, if this is about more than page impressions, my sense is that the LibDems probably have the most useful and well-developed blogosphere of the three major parties for their own active members particularly, and a sense of connection between their blogs. 

The tone and style of LibDem voice strikes me as particulalry successful in what it is trying to do, partly because it strikes me as focusing more on facilitating internal information and discussion than primarily platforming partisan challenges to the other parties. I would naturally be more sympathetic to the LibDems than conservatives but I can recognise good writing from the right, and the quality of discussion and argument does strike me as considerably better from the LibDems.

I suspect part of that arises from there being  several advantages in that to being the third party, or rather a reflection of and ability to challenge several disadvantages from offline politics. 

- There are relatively few LibDem stories in the national press, and those on politics tend to be about leadership, opinion polls or hung parliament speculation. And though many LibDems will read the Guardian or Independent, it does not have a newspaper, letters page, etc sense of community which lefties or the right might get from the Guardian or Mail/Telegraph. But this is probably ahead of where a much higher proportion of party discussion especially (below the cabinet/shadow headline news) is now increasingly taking place outside the national media news cycle.

- The national politicians also probably have some more incentive to pay attention to what&#039;s going on online. 

I don&#039;t get much sense of that from the Tories (it strikes me as more aspiring candidates), nor from Labour (where it has been mostly relatively &#039;outsider&#039; grassroots, certainly up to a year ago. I suspect the party/activist demographic may help, and that the group who are say around five years out of university probably have a stronger share of &#039;voice&#039; in the party. 

I was interested to see somewhere Clegg referring to the value of twitter hashtags: the new communications operation does offer the LibDems a chance to level up if they take it seriously and others don&#039;t.

- And the party culture helps as well, in that there is a certain pride in open disagreements and discussions, though my own sense is that the development of more salient online politics within parties will change each of them. (Conservativehome has, I suspect, changed the culture of Tory activism a fair amount already in the last couple of years).

While I accept that many people here may be allergic to the LabourList Derek Draper effort, I expect Labour will do more to get its act together in several different spaces over the next six months.  Perhaps more attention should be paid to how LibDems have approached this, particulalry on internal party discussion and debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. There is a lot of discussion about whether and what the right does well, and how whether either Labour or the broader progressive left needs to learn from that.  I think ConservativeHome is good at what it does (though I can&#8217;t work out whether it justs reflects how much more right-wing the next generation of Conservative activists are than their own leadership, or helps to shift internal debate that way).</p>
<p>But, if this is about more than page impressions, my sense is that the LibDems probably have the most useful and well-developed blogosphere of the three major parties for their own active members particularly, and a sense of connection between their blogs. </p>
<p>The tone and style of LibDem voice strikes me as particulalry successful in what it is trying to do, partly because it strikes me as focusing more on facilitating internal information and discussion than primarily platforming partisan challenges to the other parties. I would naturally be more sympathetic to the LibDems than conservatives but I can recognise good writing from the right, and the quality of discussion and argument does strike me as considerably better from the LibDems.</p>
<p>I suspect part of that arises from there being  several advantages in that to being the third party, or rather a reflection of and ability to challenge several disadvantages from offline politics. </p>
<p>- There are relatively few LibDem stories in the national press, and those on politics tend to be about leadership, opinion polls or hung parliament speculation. And though many LibDems will read the Guardian or Independent, it does not have a newspaper, letters page, etc sense of community which lefties or the right might get from the Guardian or Mail/Telegraph. But this is probably ahead of where a much higher proportion of party discussion especially (below the cabinet/shadow headline news) is now increasingly taking place outside the national media news cycle.</p>
<p>- The national politicians also probably have some more incentive to pay attention to what&#8217;s going on online. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get much sense of that from the Tories (it strikes me as more aspiring candidates), nor from Labour (where it has been mostly relatively &#8216;outsider&#8217; grassroots, certainly up to a year ago. I suspect the party/activist demographic may help, and that the group who are say around five years out of university probably have a stronger share of &#8216;voice&#8217; in the party. </p>
<p>I was interested to see somewhere Clegg referring to the value of twitter hashtags: the new communications operation does offer the LibDems a chance to level up if they take it seriously and others don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>- And the party culture helps as well, in that there is a certain pride in open disagreements and discussions, though my own sense is that the development of more salient online politics within parties will change each of them. (Conservativehome has, I suspect, changed the culture of Tory activism a fair amount already in the last couple of years).</p>
<p>While I accept that many people here may be allergic to the LabourList Derek Draper effort, I expect Labour will do more to get its act together in several different spaces over the next six months.  Perhaps more attention should be paid to how LibDems have approached this, particulalry on internal party discussion and debate.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30834</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have asked then what they think of Charlotte Gore.</description>
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		<title>By: Jennie Rigg</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30806</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Rigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice puff piece, lads ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice puff piece, lads <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dr Pack gets third degree &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/01/15/giving-a-voice-to-the-libdem-grassroots/#comment-30773</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Pack gets third degree &#124; Liberal Democrat Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr Pack gets third degree Written by Alex Foster on 15th January 2009 &#8211; 3:12 pm I don&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s now even better qualified to run Lib Dem Voice, I mean the Voice&#8217;s own Mark Pack been answering some tough questions from Sunny Hundal at the Liberal Conspiracy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr Pack gets third degree Written by Alex Foster on 15th January 2009 &#8211; 3:12 pm I don&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s now even better qualified to run Lib Dem Voice, I mean the Voice&#8217;s own Mark Pack been answering some tough questions from Sunny Hundal at the Liberal Conspiracy. [...]</p>
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