Amnesty NZ wrote to me today about him.

Gregory

There is no singular experience of selling sex — are we to take seriously the claim of the gender feminst that there’s no difference between a bonded, child prostitute in India and a dominatrix working out of a flat in Mayfair?

Cath’s attempt to reduce debate to the level of personal attack based on the background of her opponents is disappointing and ill advised.

Whilst its perfectly possible Douglas Fox’s motives are not entirely selfless, It’s equally true that many working in what now passes for a womens movement, can be equally self serving – many having made very comfortable livings promoting a hysterical and divisive approach to sexual politics?

An Amnesty conference in Nottingham 08! I was laughing on the phone to the Home Office, “he’s not exactly keeping his head down I said”

They laughed and laughed

Gregory

Douglas

Because of pimps like you.

Gregory

In relation to CATW’s initial (2002/2003) interest in Ireland,

we are still looking for dead bodies and missing females from that period.

A one hundred percent unlawful scenario was what we seemingly had in Ireland. I would say Canada, GTA wasn’t much better, Cyprus, and Malta, same kind of thing.

It is possible to have across the board pervasive abuses.

At the time Janice gave me a presser to distribute, we had endemic gangsterism and slavery without any apparent legal aspects.

It was one gang of hoods after another. We are still looking for missing persons.

Gregory

http://www.withreference2.org/trafficking/2003/2003.06.htm

June 9, 2003
Lap Dancing Raids in the Republic of Ireland
PRESS RELEASE
Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW)
“Finally, we have some movement from the police and justice officials against the lap dancing clubs in the Republic of Ireland. These raids have implications for Northern Ireland, Scotland, the UK, other countries in Europe and countries across the globe.

We learn that most of the women in these clubs are from eastern Europe, Russia and the Ukraine. This is not surprising since the clubs are a front for prostitution, and the women are trafficked from countries in financial and political crisis.

Unfortunately, when police raid the clubs, it’s mostly the women who are visible and thus targeted. This unfortunate reality should give governments the incentive to pass anti-trafficking legislation, modeled on the new UN Protocol against trafficking, that provides assistance to trafficked women who have been exploited.

Raids are a good beginning, but much more needs to be done. The police and justice department must go after the real criminals, the traffickers, pimps and so-called entrepreneurs who make a business out of sexual exploitation. If women are to help the police in prosecuting these perpetrators, they must be given protection, resources and the ability to live lives free of prostitution. Organizations, such as the Ruhama Project in Dublin, who provide model services to women in prostitution should be funded also to expand their assistance to women trafficked from out of the country.

Ireland has a golden opportunity not just to initiate raids but to ensure that the traffickers will not be back in business next month or the month after. First, go after the real criminals. Do not punish the victims. No woman should be punished for her own exploitation.

Second, pass legislation outlawing lap dancing clubs. Don’t give licensing applications to these clubs. Lap dancing are brothels by another name. Lap dancing is sexual foreplay leading to the main event, which is sexual contact. This means that lap dancing is a part of the act of prostitution. Although clubs may plead that they do not engage in prostitution, they couldn’t survive financially if they were providing stage or tabletop dancing alone. Neither could the women!

Third, pass legislation in Ireland modeled on Sweden’s law penalizing the buyers of “sexual services.” Invite police, justice and gender equality spokespersons from Sweden to brief Irish officials. Legislation must get real and address the men who buy the women. Unless countries address the demand for prostitution, nothing will really change. There’s no supply without demand. The male demand for the sex of prostitution has been the most invisible aspect of the trafficking and prostitution chain.

Certain clubs emphasize that men watching women strip and gyrate is good “harmless fun” – a boy’s night out. Men don’t go the clubs simply to watch. They go to get as near to the women as possible. These clubs are about pushing the envelope of sexual exploitation. When will countries have the courage to do something about the demand?

We are seeing that the sex industry in many parts of the world is trafficking foreign women into all parts of the sex industry, including the strip clubs. Supply follows demand. The clubs have to provide the kind of “exotic” women men demand.

Fourth, stop issuing work permits for “exotic dancing.” Many strip clubs import women from abroad through “employment networks and contacts.” Foreign women are being trafficked into Ireland as part of this system of organized sexual exploitation and crime.

Finally, resist the call from self-interested parties to regulate these clubs. Regulation is toleration and legitimation. Where lap dancing is legally tolerated and accepted, this is state-sponsored prostitution. Just how is any city or country going to evaluate which clubs are “best practice” clubs? Will the Garda Siochana stand watch over the lap of the customer to see if he pulls down her g-string, or pulls his penis out? Will a monitor accompany every woman who is paid to grind her body over a paying customer? Not on your life, and not on his! What a chilling effect on the clientele that action would have!

The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW) favors not the regulation of “best practice” strip and lap dancing clubs but the closing down of these establishments. Such activities are not and should not be legal. But let’s do it right, and implement anti-sex industry policy, legislation and programs to insure that the same and other forms of sexual exploitation will not rise from these ashes.

Commercial sexual entertainment is commercial sexual exploitation. Lap dancing clubs are an unacceptable form of entertainment that depends upon women’s inequality and the sexual objectification of women, where women are viewed and treated as sexual commodities for men’s pleasure. The international human rights community is watching what Ireland will do. Will Ireland officially promote sexual equality or sexual exploitation?”

Contact:
Dr. Janice Raymond
Co-Executive Director
Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW)
PO Box 9338
N. Amherst, MA 01059 USA

I’d just watch out for anyone turning up with any actual facts, that’s all.

If you find UK studies of prostitutes funded or carried out by people like the NHSor the Home Office, for example, you’ll discover all sorts of anomalies, like the age on entering prostitution being way higher, the client risk being quite low indoors, the fact most hard drug addicts among street sex workers have their addiction BEFORE entering prostitution, the amount of violence against sex workers from neither clients nor indirect sex workers but from prohibitionists etc.

Raymond is well known in academia for failing to adhere to ethical guidelines or to subject her work to peer review. She’s funded (to date) up to the hilt by George W Bush’s State Department and adds transphobia to putophobia amongst her hobbies:
http://www.answers.com/“Janice+Raymond”?gwp=11&ver=1.0.8.207&method=3

All of which is not to deny that appalling cases of exploitation occur in prostitution. Indeed, I’d list Raymond as one of the principal exploiters.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZvy96EIKg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TQydMMjbL5o

If it is a brit web-site, one can get a settlement, it is usually not worth the trouble.

I get a lot of that, teachers and pimps are forever creating false dating profiles etc.

They take my photos of Vatican media. If you pop over to the TES web-site and do a search for n*gger or something, you will get a good idea of what’s in our classrooms.

That one, was a first for doing my house square footage.

Gregory

Chris Keates is wild,

That was funny, because Chris Keates was extensively reported in her own words, from one end of the USA to the other. She wants to derogate abuse of trust in the UK, at the time US jurisdictions are talking of upping the age to 21 and others want to keep foster relations classified as a genre of incest.

So Chris Keates, a radical by US standards. In fairness some British commentators appreciated that the schoolgirl problem was getting a bit out of hand.

“If this shocks you so profoundly that you believe Ms Keates must have been misquoted, I can tell you she sticks by every word.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/64914/Teacher-pupil-sex-can-never-be-a-grey-area

I was delighted by the US media coverage of Chris Keates. The Catholic media were rather fairer to the NASUWT than the British tabloids.

Teachers’ unions back Keates on sixth form sex law | News | TES
12 Oct 2008 … The News of the World claimed that “teachers want right to bed their pupils”. And a reader on the News of the World website added: “teachers …
http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6003533 – 50k – Cached – Similar pages -

There is a lot of support for legal teacher/pupil sex in the UK.

“Teachers’ unions have unanimously backed Chris Keates’ call for the Government to reconsider the law surrounding teachers who have sex with sixth-formers.”

They have set out their stall, it is what they want. I think the UK is the only country in the world with these kinds of transgressive campaigns bythe very people who are tasked to protect children.

“Obviously, it has implications for students’ education and inability to concentrate in class,”

http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6003533

I just couldn’t make that stuff up

JAN MOIR: Time to teach these predators a REAL lesson | Mail Online
17 Oct 2008 … And a science teacher who spanked a 14-year-old’s bottom and called her a ….. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday, Evening Standard …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078349/Time-teach-predators-REAL- lesson.html -

That OTOH makes sense. If the abuse of trust provisions of the SOA 2003 goes, would not be illegal for guardians to have sex with foster children.

It is not just one union, the Brit teaching profession in general is making a pitch.

‘John’s denial, though, was much more interesting: an odd hybrid of legalistic game-playing and genuine psychological resistance to the notion that he was selling sex. It wasn’t that he didn’t know perfectly well what was going on (otherwise why squirm so uncomfortably about the headmaster who rang up requesting the youngest escort on the books to dress up as a schoolgirl?)’

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n16657627

It is a profitable business, providig age role services for British teachers.

The Brits have a lot of educator sexual misconduct.

Gregory

Stephen

I chaperone US stuff when it arrives here.

I have a reputaon at Westminster and the House of Lords for not making mistakes, that reads as *never* making mistakes with their careers, that’s an absolute job requirement.

A lot of PQs can spin-out into major media, and it is important to have detail nailed down.

Political clients need to be cared for.

Gregory

That’s true, over several years, the Lib Dems want to legalize hard core porn at 16. There is a block of organizations attacking the SOA 2003

Proposal To Allow 16-Year-Olds
To Appear In Explicit Porn
By Andy McSmith
Political Editor
The Independent – UK
3-21-4

That is true enough.

Gregory

he’s wrong about the central heating.

He probably has the square footage right as to the property audit. I think the cell-phone is lost or possibly retired. I’d give him seven out of ten for stalking the object of his dislike.

He had a theory on Kesgrave school

“I am, as you may have
guessed, well acquainted with Kesgrave High School, and in fact used to
visit it in an advisory capacity when I was still working. It is one of
the best of its kind in the county and has an excellent reputation.
There has never been any suggestion of “drunken pupil/teacher parties”"

He was of course wrong.

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Suffolk | Teacher disciplined over drinking
A drama teacher who got drunk with pupils at school parties has been found guilty of unacceptable conduct. Jo Bowen, who taught at Kesgrave High School in …
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/4678646.stm – 34k – Cached – Similar pages -

I am therefore very happy for him

“At a practical level the Labour Party definitely did open up Jobcentre to sex traffickers, pedophiles and other dangerous criminals.”

I certainly agree with that, I think our schoolgirl selling agency in Newcastle was one of the Jobcentre clients.

“When the NAS/UWT teachers’ union raised concerns about the way the law on pupil-teacher relationships is formulated, Carlin contacted the newspapers and received copious publicity for his claims that they were trying to legalise sex between pupils and teachers, and even between foster-parents and their charges.”

http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of%20the%20week.asp

True enough, that is their policy in both cases.

“Property Size 57 square metres. It has central heating but no garage, and if you’re obsessive enough you can see it clearly on Google Earth”

As a net-stalker he is definitely getting there.

Gregory

How’s 4 Downfine Walk, Belfast, by the way?

http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker%20of%20the%20week.asp

Some feed-back from a leading abolitionist, who I won’t trouble to name.

“The discrepancy between the alleged number of victims per year and the number of cases they’ve been able to make is so huge that it’s got to raise major questions,”

And that is a good question, in my opinion.

As in rape prosecution, the Trafficking Victim’s Protection Act burdens the victim with the obligation to “prove” that she did not consent to the crime(s) committed against her. The succes rate will therefore not be much higher.

A US professor agreed with the CIA aspects. We also discused sex crime in Sweden, that thing on your web-site. I am personally tempted to think you may have had a point.

However, It would be a bit swank of me to offer a public opinion before the all-knowing Swedes.

Gregory

I am to the G/TOP top hierarchy what Yvette Doll was to Kraftwerk or Andy Warhol. I am a cog in the wheel, you can ask me about Cheb, Limerick, or the Ukraine, I only have a limited understanding of the strategic overview of the United States as a territory..

I am relevant in relation to Jacqui Smith and considerably less so to Alberto R. Gonzales, it is my job to be given perspectives as they relate to the Bush adinistration rather than to offer opinions authoratively.

The exception to that caveat, is my team leading in relation to pornography and the US military (as actors), or trafficking to Seattle via Alaska & Canada, or exotic dancer schemes in Japan, Canada, UK and Ireland and intermediate territorities.

The article was discussed by colleagues in the USA, and I was sent a memo by e-mail. I am not at liberty to discuss the detailed contents of that e-mail. There were issues relating to the people who provided information to Jerry Markon Washington Post Staff Writer

Some journalists are not in the least concerned about facts or balanced perspective, and present information in a way purposefully designed to mislead and discredit.

Anyone who knows Steve Wagner knows that he would never simply say, “there are no victims.” It’s just ludicrous to think so. Steve certainly believes there are victims otherwise it would have been pointless for him to start his own non-profit to work on trafficking issues since leaving HHS.

“Steven Wagner, who helped HHS distribute millions of dollars in grants to community groups to find and assist victims, said “Those funds were wasted.” “Many of the organizations that received grants didn’t really have to do anything,” said Wagner, former head of HHS’s anti-trafficking program. “They were available to help victims. There weren’t any victims.”"

People of good faith can disagree about whether or not Rescue and Restore’s efforts have been effective or not, that is a legitimate line of debate, I am not able to publicly discuss the quotations attributed to Steve Wagner.

I wasn’t invited to discuss Mr. Wagner’s alleged statement to the WP with my colleagues in Washington DC and it would be quite silly to try to do it here. I was given a memo about it and I read that memo.

I identified a hundred or so sex trafficking cases vis a vis the USA and Canada and those incidents were detected in relation to work in Dominican Republic and Romania.

so I would imagine, establishing a problem which had thousands of victims per annum, wouldn’t be that difficult a target.

Gregory Carlin

Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition

The use of an expression, doesn’t prove the expression is anything more than a form of words, and Hansard has more than its share of misinformation.

(1), I would say that Hansard has a quite a number of PQs authored by yours truly and a number of responses, or written or spoken answers, prepared with my assistance.

For example I have ( in the past) in relation to UKIS raids, been able to supply Hansard answers to the querying politicians *before* the MP was notified, and before publication. IN British terms that isa neat trick and requires the private office, or relevant department, to relay the information to me first, or to prepare the text with my assistance.

P2 relied in part on P1 by which stage the police were buying the newspapers themselves as opposed to using journalists and other sources indirectly or diectly via the IATC.

The Home Office approached some journalists directly relating to issues such as educational visas (as linked to UK brothels) and also the Home Office kept tabs on locall police agencies in the same manner.

If reading the advertisements in the ‘Sunday Sport’ is intelligence lead, then so let it be true.

(3) In relation to G/TIP – I organized more media (mostly regional) than any other advocate person outside of the US Department of State. Of course a couple of CNN will perhaps be more demographically useful than two dozen regional newspapers. It is hard work, and over the last few years, I’ve also worked on a dozen BBC scripts or programmes.

(4) Yvette Doll as a cultural or artistic phenomena is perhaps more reliable than Hansard in relation to the COC, PNVD, IPCE, PIE, PAL and the GLF.

Sudeten Creche was possibly more about the Kaliningrad Oblast, than about the Czech Republic.

“I was part of sexual liberation, I’m played on radio stations from from Vladivostok to Voskresensk, because I prosletyzed radical ideas, in a political environment which was difficult to say the least.”

http://toomuchtosayformyself.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/the-great-iusw-con/#comment-426

The last modern art movement was pop art. The mechanical means of production or rendering techniques, can be applied to metal stampers culled from laqueurs (record cutting room) or silk screen, being a specific component.

An album sleeve, also important in its own right and to that end, it was possible ( as a statement or ‘happening’ if public) for the record not to be released or sold, or tamped and to exist as ‘a flat’ about fifty inches long or ‘as visual pop art’.

I was certainly in the same room as Yvette Doll on a number of occasions I can’t claim to be as as popular in post-industrial or electro-goth circles.

Gregory Carlin

Irish Anti-Trafficking Coalition

I would ask you to answer the following questions:

1. Are you stating that Hansard is an unreliable source?

2. You make two conflicting claims relating to the Police/Home Office intelligence that formed the basis for the Operation Pentameter 1 & 2 raids. First you state that you supplied some of this intelligence & then you state that it simply consisted of PCs reading the local newspaper. You can’t have it both ways so, which is it to be?

3. You advise people to reference your organisation’s website or your personal blog, but a search for these produces no results; it does however show that you personally are very vocal on a range of subject including Canadian immigration policy, open letters to George W. Bush advocating a nominee for an important US Government appointment (on, what appears to be, the basis of their religious & moral credentials), Australian interpretations of what constitutes art, school uniforms & advocacy of abstinence only sex education. Therefore, I would ask that you provide such links to either your organisation’s website or your personal blog, when advising others to read them, if possible?

4. You have posted comments in this debate using at least four identities; i.e. Sudeten, Yvette Doll, Gregory Carlin &, now, IATC. Why do you feel the need to do this if you are certain of the veracity of the claims you make?

Glen Parry

“The image you need for ‘intelligence lead’ is a Brit cop reading the classifieds in a tabloid”

That’s funny, our image for ‘intelligence-led ’has thus far been a CIA agent reading the classifieds in a tabloid, ever since the Washington Post came out with this over trafficking victims:
“Although there have been several estimates over the years, the number that helped fuel the congressional response — 50,000 victims a year — was an unscientific estimate by a CIA analyst who relied mainly on clippings from foreign newspapers, according to government sources…”

This in a story trying to explain why they’d only found less than 200 trafficking victims a tear in the whole USA for seven years. Obviously they lacked your assistance.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201401.html

For years we were happy to allow dozy Brit cops to take credit for work paid for by G/TIP people inthe USA, in one series of raids the Brits claimed it ( the intelligence) had cost them 250,000 – the relity was that I provided data including detailed maps for building interiors.

If the Brits were serious about intel, they have thousands of teachers referred to LIST 99 some of them are child pimps, sex traffickers,brothel operators or belong to image clubs. That would be the obvious place to start.

Thereafter clean up WP-UK in Sheffield, educational visas, Jobcentre, DWP, and ask An Garda Siochana for a set of files for Operation Gladiator or Operation Quest, get the Dutch/Irish drug stuff from Holland o rCustoms and Excise

I’d do ex-policemen or police employees operating web-sites & escort agencies and teachers to begin with.

Brit ‘intel’ is from the back of a newspaper.

Feel free to FOI my name, IATC, Prof Donna Hughes. The Brits did 11 or 12 brothels in 2002 (taken to court), that’s *all* of them.

I was doing better than all of them put together, if we include Ireland.

The Brits are garbage, because they don’t care.

[DOC] WOLVERHAMPTON AND NOTTINGHAM CHILD SEXUAL EXPLOITATION PILOTS
File Format: Microsoft Word – View as HTML
… given the obligatory two prostitute cautions, and on a third or subsequent ….. disclosed that between 1989 and 1995 2380 cautions were issued and 1730 …
http://www.acpo.police.uk/asp/policies/Data/child_prostitution.doc – Similar pages

How many pedophiles in jail for the almost 4,000 child prostitution things?

It could be none knowing the Brits.

Jacqui Smith is a very silly person. Ican tell you this, now she knows I am slightly peeved with the IUSW, she will treat their petition as feces.

She also knows that I no longer object to being given credit for my work, previously she knew that ‘personal safety’ issues dictated discretion.

I challenge Jacqui Smith to call me a liar.

Gregory