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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-28047</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Falco? &lt;blockquote&gt;The proposed legislation would require comment moderation for all blogs&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;What&lt;/b&gt; proposed legislation? There is no proposed legislation. This is the &lt;b&gt;very first stage&lt;/b&gt; of a consultation for reform to the libel law that &lt;b&gt;we have been campaigning for&lt;/b&gt;.

Bloggers are currently in very serious trouble if someone with money makes a suit against their hosts, domain registrars or similar. The Govt has promised to start a consultation process.  The anti-censorship campaigning organisations have been pushing for this for some time, as have a number of bloggers (especially those that have been in trouble with the farcicle laws as they stand).

So I don&#039;t know what the hell you&#039;re talking about, but this consultation isn&#039;t going to require anything, it&#039;s only just started.

Currently, without pre-moderation, all three of your points below stand under law as is. If you pre moderate, they don&#039;t, as you&#039;re personally publishing them.

In your point 2, you observe that many bloggers are paranoid, especially about the EU. That&#039;s true. Doesn&#039;t mean their paranoia is in any way justified.

As you think there is proposed legislation, then you have no understanding of the legislative process and haven&#039;t read what&#039;s been said. Padraig, the author of this post, knows exactly what he&#039;s talking about, his organisation is one of the primary anti-censorship campaigns in the country.

Climb down, get involved with the consultation, and don&#039;t try to block something that &lt;b&gt;we need&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Falco?<br />
<blockquote>The proposed legislation would require comment moderation for all blogs</p></blockquote>
<p><b>What</b> proposed legislation? There is no proposed legislation. This is the <b>very first stage</b> of a consultation for reform to the libel law that <b>we have been campaigning for</b>.</p>
<p>Bloggers are currently in very serious trouble if someone with money makes a suit against their hosts, domain registrars or similar. The Govt has promised to start a consultation process.  The anti-censorship campaigning organisations have been pushing for this for some time, as have a number of bloggers (especially those that have been in trouble with the farcicle laws as they stand).</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t know what the hell you&#8217;re talking about, but this consultation isn&#8217;t going to require anything, it&#8217;s only just started.</p>
<p>Currently, without pre-moderation, all three of your points below stand under law as is. If you pre moderate, they don&#8217;t, as you&#8217;re personally publishing them.</p>
<p>In your point 2, you observe that many bloggers are paranoid, especially about the EU. That&#8217;s true. Doesn&#8217;t mean their paranoia is in any way justified.</p>
<p>As you think there is proposed legislation, then you have no understanding of the legislative process and haven&#8217;t read what&#8217;s been said. Padraig, the author of this post, knows exactly what he&#8217;s talking about, his organisation is one of the primary anti-censorship campaigns in the country.</p>
<p>Climb down, get involved with the consultation, and don&#8217;t try to block something that <b>we need</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Falco</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-28021</link>
		<dc:creator>Falco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you are missing two substantive points, regardless of the fact that such legislation is unlikely to be aimed at one or two meagre bloggers.

1. The proposed legislation would require comment moderation for all blogs, many of which flourish on the basis of near instantaneous response. Bloggers should not be liable for comments made unless they meet the following criteria:

- The comments are slanderous.

- The blogger has been given reasonable notice to remove the comments.

-The blogger has refused to do so.

Going beyond this would be an unreasonable restriction on freedom of speech.

2. Many bloggers are touchy as hell about any changes to the system because charming groups such as the EU keep proposing laws that would, in the wrong hands, (and who is to say which those are), result in it being a crime to write articles that the legislators disagreed with.

That the the first problem is with the currently debated legislation and the second with legislation that is, for the moment, in abeyance, is no reason not to fight tooth and nail against the silencing of independent voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you are missing two substantive points, regardless of the fact that such legislation is unlikely to be aimed at one or two meagre bloggers.</p>
<p>1. The proposed legislation would require comment moderation for all blogs, many of which flourish on the basis of near instantaneous response. Bloggers should not be liable for comments made unless they meet the following criteria:</p>
<p>- The comments are slanderous.</p>
<p>- The blogger has been given reasonable notice to remove the comments.</p>
<p>-The blogger has refused to do so.</p>
<p>Going beyond this would be an unreasonable restriction on freedom of speech.</p>
<p>2. Many bloggers are touchy as hell about any changes to the system because charming groups such as the EU keep proposing laws that would, in the wrong hands, (and who is to say which those are), result in it being a crime to write articles that the legislators disagreed with.</p>
<p>That the the first problem is with the currently debated legislation and the second with legislation that is, for the moment, in abeyance, is no reason not to fight tooth and nail against the silencing of independent voices.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-27841</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody hell, and I thought the tabloid press was bad at times...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody hell, and I thought the tabloid press was bad at times&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DonaldS</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-78449</link>
		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Is http://tinyurl.com/3tbo5n the most ill-informed post on libel vs blogs ever written?  Quick, pass the antidote: http://tinyurl.com/9t3l9p&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Is <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3tbo5n" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3tbo5n</a> the most ill-informed post on libel vs blogs ever written?  Quick, pass the antidote: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/9t3l9p" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/9t3l9p</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-27824</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Padraig, that pretty much covers it. I posted a brief &quot;don&#039;t panic&quot; on my site while you composed this as some people that should know better were bandwaggoning, I&#039;ll edit in a link to this as well:
http://matgb.livejournal.com/342788.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Padraig, that pretty much covers it. I posted a brief &#8220;don&#8217;t panic&#8221; on my site while you composed this as some people that should know better were bandwaggoning, I&#8217;ll edit in a link to this as well:<br />
<a href="http://matgb.livejournal.com/342788.html" rel="nofollow">http://matgb.livejournal.com/342788.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mat Bowles</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/12/19/wrong-end-of-stick-grabbed-shaken-vigorously/#comment-74663</link>
		<dc:creator>Mat Bowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;wishes people would factcheck before panic posting. http://tinyurl.com/4xvt2t&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/matgb/status/1068084642&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">wishes people would factcheck before panic posting. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4xvt2t" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4xvt2t</a></span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/matgb/status/1068084642">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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