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		<title>By: James Schneider</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-26023</link>
		<dc:creator>James Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Nick. Its absurd to say all Republicans are scum. Was Bloomberg scum? What about Arnie? Is McCain scum?

You&#039;ve got a good case against Guiliani but even Romney&#039;s record as governor of Massachusetts is pretty good. The problem is, he just didn&#039;t run on his record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Nick. Its absurd to say all Republicans are scum. Was Bloomberg scum? What about Arnie? Is McCain scum?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got a good case against Guiliani but even Romney&#8217;s record as governor of Massachusetts is pretty good. The problem is, he just didn&#8217;t run on his record.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-26002</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and I am not a Republican. I was just pointing out that they weren&#039;t all, as you intimated, &#039;scum&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and I am not a Republican. I was just pointing out that they weren&#8217;t all, as you intimated, &#8216;scum&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25995</link>
		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny - your blog is the hottest by far on CiF btw!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny &#8211; your blog is the hottest by far on CiF btw!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25993</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - c&#039;mon, the guy was not only putting others to sleep, he was falling asleep himself while campaigning! How that demonstrates libertarian leaning is quite funny. Given that he was a traditional social conservative who was anti-choice, calling him libertarian is stretching the facts a bit.

Ron Paul was better - but his loss only demonstrates that your beloved Republican party is far away from its traditional libertarian roots. In fact, the social conservatives and foreign policy hawks (who want a big, powerful state) now overwhelm that coalition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; c&#8217;mon, the guy was not only putting others to sleep, he was falling asleep himself while campaigning! How that demonstrates libertarian leaning is quite funny. Given that he was a traditional social conservative who was anti-choice, calling him libertarian is stretching the facts a bit.</p>
<p>Ron Paul was better &#8211; but his loss only demonstrates that your beloved Republican party is far away from its traditional libertarian roots. In fact, the social conservatives and foreign policy hawks (who want a big, powerful state) now overwhelm that coalition.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25991</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I `m here all week !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I `m here all week !</p>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25987</link>
		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny - unless I missed it you&#039;ve kept rather quiet about this - you are currently the hottest post on comment is free!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny &#8211; unless I missed it you&#8217;ve kept rather quiet about this &#8211; you are currently the hottest post on comment is free!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/30/obama-white-house-barackobama</a></p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25982</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British equivalent of the Winter Palace - same as the British equivalent of the Summer Palace.

I&#039;m really not sure demonising the enemy does anyone any good whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British equivalent of the Winter Palace &#8211; same as the British equivalent of the Summer Palace.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not sure demonising the enemy does anyone any good whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25980</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what exactly does doing a proper job mean as president in today&#039;s state obsessed discourse? Invading a decent number of countries? Issuing enough edicts? Seizing enough property for political ends? 

What does campaigning properly to be president mean? Shaking enough hands while promising to screw over a minority of the population so that you can get the majority to support you? Honestly, give me someone who can&#039;t be arsed over someone who can be any day! Of course, they never stand a chance but thats the whole point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what exactly does doing a proper job mean as president in today&#8217;s state obsessed discourse? Invading a decent number of countries? Issuing enough edicts? Seizing enough property for political ends? </p>
<p>What does campaigning properly to be president mean? Shaking enough hands while promising to screw over a minority of the population so that you can get the majority to support you? Honestly, give me someone who can&#8217;t be arsed over someone who can be any day! Of course, they never stand a chance but thats the whole point.</p>
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		<title>By: redpesto</title>
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		<dc:creator>redpesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: &lt;i&gt;Never better evidence that he was genuinely libertarian leaning! Only people who really really really want to make it their life’s work to screw everyone else from a position of power ever get the chance to do so in a representative democracy. Those that are just partial to a bit of power mania, and only during office hours, are just not taken seriously.&lt;/i&gt;

...or he simply couldn&#039;t be arsed to do a proper job: let&#039;s face it, the competition wasn&#039;t exactly scintillating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: <i>Never better evidence that he was genuinely libertarian leaning! Only people who really really really want to make it their life’s work to screw everyone else from a position of power ever get the chance to do so in a representative democracy. Those that are just partial to a bit of power mania, and only during office hours, are just not taken seriously.</i></p>
<p>&#8230;or he simply couldn&#8217;t be arsed to do a proper job: let&#8217;s face it, the competition wasn&#8217;t exactly scintillating.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25977</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The impression I had was that Thompson barely bothered campaigning.&quot;

Never better evidence that he was genuinely libertarian leaning! Only people who really really really want to make it their life&#039;s work to screw everyone else from a position of power ever get the chance to do so in a representative democracy. Those that are just partial to a bit of power mania, and only during office hours, are just not taken seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The impression I had was that Thompson barely bothered campaigning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Never better evidence that he was genuinely libertarian leaning! Only people who really really really want to make it their life&#8217;s work to screw everyone else from a position of power ever get the chance to do so in a representative democracy. Those that are just partial to a bit of power mania, and only during office hours, are just not taken seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25976</link>
		<dc:creator>Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newmania, you might even skate close to being mildly amusing one day if you ever jettison the wearisome clichés about &quot;political correctness&quot; circa 1983.

Actually scratch that. You will forever be a tiresome unfunny old bore with far less to say than he thinks he has.

Laurie may be a &quot;young person&quot; (horrors!) but intellectually and journalistically she runs rings around you. 

Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newmania, you might even skate close to being mildly amusing one day if you ever jettison the wearisome clichés about &#8220;political correctness&#8221; circa 1983.</p>
<p>Actually scratch that. You will forever be a tiresome unfunny old bore with far less to say than he thinks he has.</p>
<p>Laurie may be a &#8220;young person&#8221; (horrors!) but intellectually and journalistically she runs rings around you. </p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: redpesto</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25969</link>
		<dc:creator>redpesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How about Fred Thompson? Kicked out in the early stages.&lt;/i&gt;

The impression I had was that Thompson barely bothered campaigning. Besides, wouldn&#039;t the whole thing have turned into &lt;i&gt;The West Wing&lt;/i&gt; v &lt;i&gt;Law and Order&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How about Fred Thompson? Kicked out in the early stages.</i></p>
<p>The impression I had was that Thompson barely bothered campaigning. Besides, wouldn&#8217;t the whole thing have turned into <i>The West Wing</i> v <i>Law and Order</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25957</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Fred Thompson? Kicked out in the early stages.

Of course, in the West Wing, the Iraq war hadn&#039;t happened and the Republicans weren&#039;t the incumbent, and the fictional Vinnick had no Bush doctrine to either support or reject. The only Republican candidate to outright reject Bush&#039;s foreign policy was Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Fred Thompson? Kicked out in the early stages.</p>
<p>Of course, in the West Wing, the Iraq war hadn&#8217;t happened and the Republicans weren&#8217;t the incumbent, and the fictional Vinnick had no Bush doctrine to either support or reject. The only Republican candidate to outright reject Bush&#8217;s foreign policy was Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25955</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;could have been if Obama had been put up against a more principled opposition.&lt;/i&gt;

Like who? Mitt Romney? Rudy Giuliani? Heh. Face it, the Republican party is populated by scum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>could have been if Obama had been put up against a more principled opposition.</i></p>
<p>Like who? Mitt Romney? Rudy Giuliani? Heh. Face it, the Republican party is populated by scum.</p>
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		<title>By: BenSix</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25954</link>
		<dc:creator>BenSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Why not synthesize your re-imagined matriotism into suggestion for the lyrics for a new National anthem .&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ach no, Newmania, we&#039;re just going to give a lusty rendition of The Internationale as we storm the British equivalent of the Winter Palace (whatever that might be).

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Why not synthesize your re-imagined matriotism into suggestion for the lyrics for a new National anthem .&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Ach no, Newmania, we&#8217;re just going to give a lusty rendition of The Internationale as we storm the British equivalent of the Winter Palace (whatever that might be).</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25952</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The West Wing was wonderful drama but one that did exist in a bubble where economics was just a myth told to scare liberals. I think the first ever episode had a funny line in it about economists being invented to make astrologers look better. Funny, but just not true. Incidentally, a viewers poll put moderate libertarian leaning Republican Vinnick (Alan Alda) ahead of Santos after the live debate episode: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/05/27/a-west-wing-rerun/ - which makes you wonder how different real history could have been if Obama had been put up against a more principled opposition.

I agree with the a lot of themes on this thread. The revolution will be local. Progressive elements of all parties are starting to become genuine decentralists, at least in theory. If the theory can be turned to reality, I think we could see some good things emerging in terms of greater liberty and welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The West Wing was wonderful drama but one that did exist in a bubble where economics was just a myth told to scare liberals. I think the first ever episode had a funny line in it about economists being invented to make astrologers look better. Funny, but just not true. Incidentally, a viewers poll put moderate libertarian leaning Republican Vinnick (Alan Alda) ahead of Santos after the live debate episode: <a href="http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/05/27/a-west-wing-rerun/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/05/27/a-west-wing-rerun/</a> &#8211; which makes you wonder how different real history could have been if Obama had been put up against a more principled opposition.</p>
<p>I agree with the a lot of themes on this thread. The revolution will be local. Progressive elements of all parties are starting to become genuine decentralists, at least in theory. If the theory can be turned to reality, I think we could see some good things emerging in terms of greater liberty and welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nationalism and patriotism are achingly different things.&quot;

it&#039;s all gism, whoever the donor is.

I wish you&#039;d stop intellectualising and get down to brass tacks. You&#039;ll be much less frustrated afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nationalism and patriotism are achingly different things.&#8221;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s all gism, whoever the donor is.</p>
<p>I wish you&#8217;d stop intellectualising and get down to brass tacks. You&#8217;ll be much less frustrated afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25948</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not synthesize your re-imagined matriotism into  suggestion for the lyrics for a  new National anthem . I say National anthem of course I mean  inclusive menu of alternative  singing ideas . I have made a start

‘God’
State preferred deity  omitting gender specific references   or state no god or indeed weak deism as preferred etc.

‘save’ 

Save has an  unfortunate  inference  a weaker sex that requires saving . Recommend   replaced with” Work in a team with “…  

‘our ‘

Our  is no good excluding as it does those who have complex  identities .Recommend replace with ….”a “   and any admired person for example Kylie Mingoue fro recently arrived antipodeans 

‘gracious ‘

No no no …  this desexualising  compounding  of the parochial hegemony  is virtually an unadorned phallus ,. Suggest “Nice” for safety 

‘Queen,’

I think not  The implied hierarchy is virtually a reintroduction of slavery  .Suggest replace with  vestigial  tribal figurehead tolerated  temporarily  whilst remnant of  accrued ignorance are surgically removed . 

&#039;Send her victorious,&#039; 

Pleeeeze “ enable her / Minogue /other  / to be cooperative perhaps ?  

&#039;Happy and glorious&#039;

Glorious is of course militarist and triumph list  and should be replaced with  “ Guilty  . Craven and apologetic  but self abasing enough to be tolerate by other better people/places “



Hey this is really shaping up , alright if I hang myself now ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not synthesize your re-imagined matriotism into  suggestion for the lyrics for a  new National anthem . I say National anthem of course I mean  inclusive menu of alternative  singing ideas . I have made a start</p>
<p>‘God’<br />
State preferred deity  omitting gender specific references   or state no god or indeed weak deism as preferred etc.</p>
<p>‘save’ </p>
<p>Save has an  unfortunate  inference  a weaker sex that requires saving . Recommend   replaced with” Work in a team with “…  </p>
<p>‘our ‘</p>
<p>Our  is no good excluding as it does those who have complex  identities .Recommend replace with ….”a “   and any admired person for example Kylie Mingoue fro recently arrived antipodeans </p>
<p>‘gracious ‘</p>
<p>No no no …  this desexualising  compounding  of the parochial hegemony  is virtually an unadorned phallus ,. Suggest “Nice” for safety </p>
<p>‘Queen,’</p>
<p>I think not  The implied hierarchy is virtually a reintroduction of slavery  .Suggest replace with  vestigial  tribal figurehead tolerated  temporarily  whilst remnant of  accrued ignorance are surgically removed . </p>
<p>&#8216;Send her victorious,&#8217; </p>
<p>Pleeeeze “ enable her / Minogue /other  / to be cooperative perhaps ?  </p>
<p>&#8216;Happy and glorious&#8217;</p>
<p>Glorious is of course militarist and triumph list  and should be replaced with  “ Guilty  . Craven and apologetic  but self abasing enough to be tolerate by other better people/places “</p>
<p>Hey this is really shaping up , alright if I hang myself now ?</p>
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		<title>By: donpaskini</title>
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		<dc:creator>donpaskini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question about &quot;can carry on doing this stuff whilst earning money and living in London?&quot; is definitely a good one - there&#039;s not as many of these sorts of jobs (and, of course, they are scattered about all over the country).  Worth having a look on Guardian Society, of course.  Community Links have volunteering opportunities with their Advice team but no paid jobs at the moment, they&#039;re a good example of the kind of organisation which does grassroots work alongside the more think-tanky stuff.

Happy to have a look and pass on any suggestions :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question about &#8220;can carry on doing this stuff whilst earning money and living in London?&#8221; is definitely a good one &#8211; there&#8217;s not as many of these sorts of jobs (and, of course, they are scattered about all over the country).  Worth having a look on Guardian Society, of course.  Community Links have volunteering opportunities with their Advice team but no paid jobs at the moment, they&#8217;re a good example of the kind of organisation which does grassroots work alongside the more think-tanky stuff.</p>
<p>Happy to have a look and pass on any suggestions <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Penny</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25946</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - I&#039;m actually doing some specific casework at the moment, although my job hasn&#039;t got an official title. It&#039;s not super-secret-special-OMG, but work would prefer that I didn&#039;t talk about it online, so I can&#039;t really go into more detail than that...I&#039;ve only had the first week so far, but it looks to be really interesting stuff. 

Thanks for the advice - I know you&#039;re right on many levels. Question is, is there any way I can carry on doing this stuff whilst earning money and living in London? I&#039;m still in love with the city and could not bear to leave...

Sunny: we should talk more about reimagining patriotism. Yes, we should. For I have some ideas and I&#039;d like to hear yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; I&#8217;m actually doing some specific casework at the moment, although my job hasn&#8217;t got an official title. It&#8217;s not super-secret-special-OMG, but work would prefer that I didn&#8217;t talk about it online, so I can&#8217;t really go into more detail than that&#8230;I&#8217;ve only had the first week so far, but it looks to be really interesting stuff. </p>
<p>Thanks for the advice &#8211; I know you&#8217;re right on many levels. Question is, is there any way I can carry on doing this stuff whilst earning money and living in London? I&#8217;m still in love with the city and could not bear to leave&#8230;</p>
<p>Sunny: we should talk more about reimagining patriotism. Yes, we should. For I have some ideas and I&#8217;d like to hear yours.</p>
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		<title>By: donpaskini</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25945</link>
		<dc:creator>donpaskini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laurie,

Excellent article as ever.  But I do think you&#039;re looking in the wrong places if you are looking for experience and skills about how to bring about change.  Working for a central London thinktank, liberal newspaper or as an MP&#039;s &quot;researcher&quot; are all enjoyable jobs for people who are interested in politics - but they are also leftie-liberal comfort zones, with the disadvantages that you&#039;ve noted.

Instead, I&#039;d suggest looking at things like being an MP&#039;s caseworker, working for a grassroots (local rather than national focused) charity, trade union lawyer, local councillor, or one of the other jobs that is really interesting politically, but which isn&#039;t part of the Westminster bubble and which involves helping people on a day-to-day basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laurie,</p>
<p>Excellent article as ever.  But I do think you&#8217;re looking in the wrong places if you are looking for experience and skills about how to bring about change.  Working for a central London thinktank, liberal newspaper or as an MP&#8217;s &#8220;researcher&#8221; are all enjoyable jobs for people who are interested in politics &#8211; but they are also leftie-liberal comfort zones, with the disadvantages that you&#8217;ve noted.</p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;d suggest looking at things like being an MP&#8217;s caseworker, working for a grassroots (local rather than national focused) charity, trade union lawyer, local councillor, or one of the other jobs that is really interesting politically, but which isn&#8217;t part of the Westminster bubble and which involves helping people on a day-to-day basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Penny</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25941</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nationalism and patriotism are achingly different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nationalism and patriotism are achingly different things.</p>
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		<title>By: James Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,
Refashioned out of what and into what. Why do we need a new nationalism?</description>
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Refashioned out of what and into what. Why do we need a new nationalism?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/29/im-a-socialist-get-me-out-of-here/#comment-25936</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of refashioned patriotism. That&#039;s my project :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of refashioned patriotism. That&#8217;s my project <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,

Living Wage - unconvinced that it won&#039;t hurt those right at the bottom. I would support a Citizens Basic income instead. Increases workers&#039; bargaining power, and allows them to make easier life choices, without distorting the market aggressively.

Mental illness - good desire, a crucial issue

Flexi-work - working hours that work around the employee, not the employer will never be the case unless the employee has more of a role in running the business. We should encourage cooperative business structures using corporation tax. The more of a business is owned by its workers, the less tax it should pay. This is the route to flexible working, increased altruism, and an end to inefficient hierarchical businesses.

Taxing the rich - at what level and how? We have to be one sensible and two radical about this. Firstly, we should be trying to tax land and capital much more than work. Secondly, we do not wish the rich to just pack their bags and leave. So we have to strike a balance. Taxing work (income) is not the best solution. Land value tax and some targetted property taxes would be far superior, and increase, not decrease economic efficiency. On the speculative tax (often termed a Tobin tax), I see the logic but think the level will probably be lower. This proceeds of this tax should go into a fund managed by the banks themselves, so that they can bail themselves out in future using that money. It will be their decision, not a political one, and they can stand by their successes or failures, like everyone else.

School curriculum - sex and relationships, fine. Financial matters, key. We must be teaching kids &quot;life maths&quot;. Maths through the medium of heating bills, savings accounts, online security, and mortgages etc. Kids must be equipped to handle the modern world, that means a modicum of knowledge about financial systems: interest rates, exchange rates etc. So absolutely crucial. As for political inheritance, what do you mean? It sounds like that could easily become politicized. I do not want kids political views being knowingly shaped by the state.

Military spending - could be lowered if we found greater cooperation with Europe and took on board some economies of scale. Our defence spending is not huge and their are not massive efficiency gains to be made from simple cuts. As for plowing cash into scientific research, how is the state going to pick winners, who&#039;ll manage the fund, and will it cause any crowding out? These are the salient questions.

Internet and e-democracy - I think e-democracy will gradually develop and will be very exciting indeed. We should not force it, but wait patently for its development. As for cheap internet connection, as you going to mandate this? The market is already doing a pretty good job of extending fast cheap internet to all. Or are you suggesting a Seoul style wifi in our major cities?

Interships - don&#039;t know enough about this, to be honest. Looks interesting.

Reproductive choice - yes, but there will be limits which can be debated. Clearly an abortion at 8 months in unacceptable. The limit will lie somewhere, but the principle is good.

refashioned ersatz Patriotism - no thanks. sounds like a load of arse. sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,</p>
<p>Living Wage &#8211; unconvinced that it won&#8217;t hurt those right at the bottom. I would support a Citizens Basic income instead. Increases workers&#8217; bargaining power, and allows them to make easier life choices, without distorting the market aggressively.</p>
<p>Mental illness &#8211; good desire, a crucial issue</p>
<p>Flexi-work &#8211; working hours that work around the employee, not the employer will never be the case unless the employee has more of a role in running the business. We should encourage cooperative business structures using corporation tax. The more of a business is owned by its workers, the less tax it should pay. This is the route to flexible working, increased altruism, and an end to inefficient hierarchical businesses.</p>
<p>Taxing the rich &#8211; at what level and how? We have to be one sensible and two radical about this. Firstly, we should be trying to tax land and capital much more than work. Secondly, we do not wish the rich to just pack their bags and leave. So we have to strike a balance. Taxing work (income) is not the best solution. Land value tax and some targetted property taxes would be far superior, and increase, not decrease economic efficiency. On the speculative tax (often termed a Tobin tax), I see the logic but think the level will probably be lower. This proceeds of this tax should go into a fund managed by the banks themselves, so that they can bail themselves out in future using that money. It will be their decision, not a political one, and they can stand by their successes or failures, like everyone else.</p>
<p>School curriculum &#8211; sex and relationships, fine. Financial matters, key. We must be teaching kids &#8220;life maths&#8221;. Maths through the medium of heating bills, savings accounts, online security, and mortgages etc. Kids must be equipped to handle the modern world, that means a modicum of knowledge about financial systems: interest rates, exchange rates etc. So absolutely crucial. As for political inheritance, what do you mean? It sounds like that could easily become politicized. I do not want kids political views being knowingly shaped by the state.</p>
<p>Military spending &#8211; could be lowered if we found greater cooperation with Europe and took on board some economies of scale. Our defence spending is not huge and their are not massive efficiency gains to be made from simple cuts. As for plowing cash into scientific research, how is the state going to pick winners, who&#8217;ll manage the fund, and will it cause any crowding out? These are the salient questions.</p>
<p>Internet and e-democracy &#8211; I think e-democracy will gradually develop and will be very exciting indeed. We should not force it, but wait patently for its development. As for cheap internet connection, as you going to mandate this? The market is already doing a pretty good job of extending fast cheap internet to all. Or are you suggesting a Seoul style wifi in our major cities?</p>
<p>Interships &#8211; don&#8217;t know enough about this, to be honest. Looks interesting.</p>
<p>Reproductive choice &#8211; yes, but there will be limits which can be debated. Clearly an abortion at 8 months in unacceptable. The limit will lie somewhere, but the principle is good.</p>
<p>refashioned ersatz Patriotism &#8211; no thanks. sounds like a load of arse. sorry.</p>
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