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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Gilligan is becoming a laughing stock</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25430</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramsey is a laughing stock. Gilligan is the brother of Michael Filligan, begin again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramsey is a laughing stock. Gilligan is the brother of Michael Filligan, begin again.</p>
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		<title>By: chavscum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25173</link>
		<dc:creator>chavscum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How his fellow journalists must be regretting giving him that award&quot; 

Are they the same people that award blogger of the year (2006)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How his fellow journalists must be regretting giving him that award&#8221; </p>
<p>Are they the same people that award blogger of the year (2006)?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25165</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Near-random attacks it is, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Near-random attacks it is, then.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25163</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in your shell Ireland, you&#039;re the joke now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in your shell Ireland, you&#8217;re the joke now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25162</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it was an act of bullying by a coward&quot;

Just so you can prioritise a response to his &#039;outrage&#039; accordingly; the above comment comes to you from an individual who makes regular anonymous edits to people&#039;s Wikipedia entries.

Now, Martin, are you going to going to articulate and defend your position on people engaging politically under multiple false identities, or are you going to continue with your near-random attacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it was an act of bullying by a coward&#8221;</p>
<p>Just so you can prioritise a response to his &#8216;outrage&#8217; accordingly; the above comment comes to you from an individual who makes regular anonymous edits to people&#8217;s Wikipedia entries.</p>
<p>Now, Martin, are you going to going to articulate and defend your position on people engaging politically under multiple false identities, or are you going to continue with your near-random attacks?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25161</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t &quot;a slightly unpleasant smear&quot;, it was an act of bullying by a coward. Killingworth should be ashamed, and so should you for your less than sound judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t &#8220;a slightly unpleasant smear&#8221;, it was an act of bullying by a coward. Killingworth should be ashamed, and so should you for your less than sound judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25160</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there was an article about bendy buses on this very website&quot;

Yes, by Mike Killingworth, and I disagreed with it - it seemed based on a flawed understanding of the whole issue.  Val Shawcross has either been picking stuff up from Boris Watch or coming to the same conclusions we do around buses, since her questions to the Mayor are pretty much exactly what I&#039;d ask (last week she asked about the non-cyclist-killing nature of bendy buses versus what Boris claimed before the election and got no answer at all from the new more accountable Mayor).  She&#039;s certainly not an idiot, and it was a slightly unpleasant smear piece in the Gilligan mould that I didn&#039;t think did a lot for the tone on LC.  Still, the comments shot it down nicely I thought, and where would we be without a bit of disagreement from time to time?

However, the most interesting thing about Mike&#039;s piece was a comment from one &#039;Andrew Ross&#039; that appeared on 2nd November that fits the Gilligan/sockpuppet pattern.  Interestingly a user called &#039;Andrew Ross&#039; appeared twice on the Standard comments under a TfL-bashing Gilligan article on 8th September while a user called &#039;ross281&#039; appeared on CiF, once, on the 31st October, the day after kennite was outed by Adam Bienkov.  All were talking about buses (OK, bus *fares*, in one of the Standard comments) and using standard boilerplate Gilligan/kennite talking points.  I&#039;ve not seen them since anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there was an article about bendy buses on this very website&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, by Mike Killingworth, and I disagreed with it &#8211; it seemed based on a flawed understanding of the whole issue.  Val Shawcross has either been picking stuff up from Boris Watch or coming to the same conclusions we do around buses, since her questions to the Mayor are pretty much exactly what I&#8217;d ask (last week she asked about the non-cyclist-killing nature of bendy buses versus what Boris claimed before the election and got no answer at all from the new more accountable Mayor).  She&#8217;s certainly not an idiot, and it was a slightly unpleasant smear piece in the Gilligan mould that I didn&#8217;t think did a lot for the tone on LC.  Still, the comments shot it down nicely I thought, and where would we be without a bit of disagreement from time to time?</p>
<p>However, the most interesting thing about Mike&#8217;s piece was a comment from one &#8216;Andrew Ross&#8217; that appeared on 2nd November that fits the Gilligan/sockpuppet pattern.  Interestingly a user called &#8216;Andrew Ross&#8217; appeared twice on the Standard comments under a TfL-bashing Gilligan article on 8th September while a user called &#8216;ross281&#8242; appeared on CiF, once, on the 31st October, the day after kennite was outed by Adam Bienkov.  All were talking about buses (OK, bus *fares*, in one of the Standard comments) and using standard boilerplate Gilligan/kennite talking points.  I&#8217;ve not seen them since anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25154</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shitting in your own kitchen, always a fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shitting in your own kitchen, always a fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Guano</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25151</link>
		<dc:creator>Guano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come to think of it, there was an article about bendy buses on this very website a few weeks ago that reminded me a bit of the Gilligan style (&quot;everyone in London hates bendy buses&quot;, &quot;Val Shawcross is an idiot&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to think of it, there was an article about bendy buses on this very website a few weeks ago that reminded me a bit of the Gilligan style (&#8221;everyone in London hates bendy buses&#8221;, &#8220;Val Shawcross is an idiot&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25067</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon that photo&#039;s been shopped. 

Fail!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon that photo&#8217;s been shopped. </p>
<p>Fail!</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25064</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you apply to contribute to CIF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you apply to contribute to CIF?</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25051</link>
		<dc:creator>Col. Richard Hindrance (Mrs)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on Tom, surely you know by now that &quot;inner north London&quot; has a population density 10X that of downtown Mumbai, because it is where absolutely EVERY left wing person in the world lives, and they&#039;re all really, really middle class too!

Apparently.

I&#039;ve often wondered: why do right wing trolls hate the middle classes so much? They&#039;re always sneering about them. I&#039;d have thought such behaviour was a bit, you know, Marxist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on Tom, surely you know by now that &#8220;inner north London&#8221; has a population density 10X that of downtown Mumbai, because it is where absolutely EVERY left wing person in the world lives, and they&#8217;re all really, really middle class too!</p>
<p>Apparently.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered: why do right wing trolls hate the middle classes so much? They&#8217;re always sneering about them. I&#8217;d have thought such behaviour was a bit, you know, Marxist.</p>
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		<title>By: Czarny Kot</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25048</link>
		<dc:creator>Czarny Kot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, back in the real world the economy plummets, those who have not lost their jobs work longer and harder with less and less rights.........

But who cares? In the magical land of Blogdon the he-said she-said carousel continues. At least &#039;Heat&#039; magazine has no pretensions to mean anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, back in the real world the economy plummets, those who have not lost their jobs work longer and harder with less and less rights&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>But who cares? In the magical land of Blogdon the he-said she-said carousel continues. At least &#8216;Heat&#8217; magazine has no pretensions to mean anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t find anything obvious on there, but the most recent edits add links to his own blog, which is probably rather less interesting than the Book of Kennite we&#039;ve been writing, and were done anonymously by a user on a 3 mobile IP.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there was some involvement there.  Incidentally, he was 40 yesterday, which puts him just above the age where internet etiquette might have expected to form (I&#039;m 34, for comparison, and have been on the net since I was 19).  There is a hint of old guard v. Young Turk here.

I wonder what kennite bought him for his birthday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t find anything obvious on there, but the most recent edits add links to his own blog, which is probably rather less interesting than the Book of Kennite we&#8217;ve been writing, and were done anonymously by a user on a 3 mobile IP.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there was some involvement there.  Incidentally, he was 40 yesterday, which puts him just above the age where internet etiquette might have expected to form (I&#8217;m 34, for comparison, and have been on the net since I was 19).  There is a hint of old guard v. Young Turk here.</p>
<p>I wonder what kennite bought him for his birthday?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25033</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And check out his wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Gilligan

There&#039;s something about the consistent style, the insistantly pro-gilligan tone, the detailed rebuttals of his critics attacks which suggests that it&#039;s either the work of the man himself or a deeply obsessive fan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And check out his wikipedia entry:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Gilligan" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Gilligan</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s something about the consistent style, the insistantly pro-gilligan tone, the detailed rebuttals of his critics attacks which suggests that it&#8217;s either the work of the man himself or a deeply obsessive fan.</p>
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		<title>By: That&#8217;s Enough, Gilligan</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25023</link>
		<dc:creator>That&#8217;s Enough, Gilligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to find it very hard to continue with his current style of journalism now he&#8217;s on everyone&#8217;s radar as a BS merchant, rather than just us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going to find it very hard to continue with his current style of journalism now he&#8217;s on everyone&#8217;s radar as a BS merchant, rather than just us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gilligan of the Evening Standard and third party anonymous comments &#124; Tom Watson MP</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-25015</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gilligan of the Evening Standard and third party anonymous comments &#124; Tom Watson MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] image relating to a furious row relating to Evening Standard journalist Andrew Gilligan&#8217;s Internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] image relating to a furious row relating to Evening Standard journalist Andrew Gilligan&#8217;s Internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24999</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;smug middle-class “progressive” types in inner North London&quot;

Name and shame, please, name and shame.  Otherwise we might think you were a troll talking out of your arse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;smug middle-class “progressive” types in inner North London&#8221;</p>
<p>Name and shame, please, name and shame.  Otherwise we might think you were a troll talking out of your arse.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24998</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that what you meant to say there, Martin/Pogsurf/Dipper/Lobster, was that you&#039;re generally OK with people engaging politically under multiple false identities.

I think after saying that, you planned to stick around and defend that view, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that what you meant to say there, Martin/Pogsurf/Dipper/Lobster, was that you&#8217;re generally OK with people engaging politically under multiple false identities.</p>
<p>I think after saying that, you planned to stick around and defend that view, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Parasite</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24997</link>
		<dc:creator>Parasite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Times haven&#039;t changed so much. Boris is still getting wedges of ineffective but vitriolic stick from smug middle-class &quot;progressive&quot; types in inner North London via their blogs - same as May, same as before May in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Times haven&#8217;t changed so much. Boris is still getting wedges of ineffective but vitriolic stick from smug middle-class &#8220;progressive&#8221; types in inner North London via their blogs &#8211; same as May, same as before May in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24995</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Gilligan and so is my wife.

I&#039;m from nerdistan so please forgive the pythons reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Gilligan and so is my wife.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from nerdistan so please forgive the pythons reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24994</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All rise! The Court of Macropus is now in session.

Andrew Paul Gilligan, you are charged with the heinous crimes of veneficium, magicae artes and netromancy.

How do you plead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All rise! The Court of Macropus is now in session.</p>
<p>Andrew Paul Gilligan, you are charged with the heinous crimes of veneficium, magicae artes and netromancy.</p>
<p>How do you plead?</p>
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		<title>By: Not_The_Gilligan_O_Clock_News</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/22/andrew-gilligan-is-becoming-a-laughing-stock/#comment-24991</link>
		<dc:creator>Not_The_Gilligan_O_Clock_News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your attacks on Gilligan are totally unfounded! He is an amazing man and the world&#039;s most awesomest writer ever! He writes words as if using a golden pen! 

This is clearly a case of everybody is jealous of me...err...him. 

Just leave him alone and focus on some proper stories, like I am Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here (which is totally useless this year because Gilligan isn&#039;t in it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your attacks on Gilligan are totally unfounded! He is an amazing man and the world&#8217;s most awesomest writer ever! He writes words as if using a golden pen! </p>
<p>This is clearly a case of everybody is jealous of me&#8230;err&#8230;him. </p>
<p>Just leave him alone and focus on some proper stories, like I am Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here (which is totally useless this year because Gilligan isn&#8217;t in it).</p>
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