No I have never been in the National Front or Combat 18, I am old enough to remember them. My thoughts on them is that I’m glad that they are not around anymore and I would certainly not be a part of anything like that. Your right the party on the whole is white, but not completly.

I can honestly say that you and your mates would be welcome at my place. I’ve always got tea in and a kettle. Thanks to ‘The List’ everyone has access to my home & mobile telephone numbers and my home address. You sound as though you are proud of being British as I am so I’m sure we would have plenty to talk about (regrdless of your hieght)

Any way thanks to you and everyone else who has given feedback on my post. I accept any feedback and points of view on this subject.

Les

Hi Martin,

I have never walked on by when I’ve seen any one being vicimised. My sister is married to an Asian man and although I know he can well look after himself I would always be there to help him out if needed. My membership is purely due to my belief that ‘most of the BNP’s policies’ would benefit Britain, as a whole. Of course I don’t agree with all of there proposals but the BNP also mention that they would hold national vote on any new legislations. They would have no power over votes no matter what the colour of your skin.

Perhaps you should look at it a bit more closely yourself. The policy of “voluntary” repatriation in particular is blatantly racist. Also, you’ll find many of us here who complain about the racism of the immigration policies of the main parties, the Labour party in particular.

Is sarcasm.

Steve, your long diatribe is almost unreadable, what point are you trying to make?

They see themselves as victims of a ‘liberal conspiracy’, yet since last week’s leak its members have been welcome on various radio phone-in’s, and moderated forums – not to mention that the BNP are always given a party political broadcast slot at every general election. They create the myth of conspiracy to generate a victim culture. They contradict themselves. Having criticised the Human Rights Act on numerous occassions, they were more than happy to hide behind it following the membership leak.

They have a very ambiguous definition of ‘indigenous British peoples’. They seemingly incorporate all North European races. Yet they don’t mention the links between far right nationalism and anti-Irish chanting in Old firm matches. So the BNP need to clarify, do Britain’s millions of Irish descendants going back 150 years to the famine, factor into the BNP’s ‘indigenous’ definition? To say I have my doubts is a massive understatement.

Bottom line is many Brits are immigrants of some sort. We can’t deny this. It is fact. If we were racist to other diaspora communities, we are also hypocrites. British identity is important. But it’s a rolling concept, forever changing. We’re also a country built on free trade, so immigration is inevitable. It’s also hypocrisy to argue for free movement of goods, services and finance around the world – but not free movement of labour. Free trade has its faults, but if managed correctly benefits us all. And new supranational institutions should now take the role of ensuring it’s benefits are widespread, now nation states are slightly limited in performing these roles (e.g. providing welfare, regulating big business). If it does these things it could help eradicate the economic injustices that create the conditions for mass migration in the first place. If economic and physical security is what you want, then unilateral economic nationalism – as the BNP proposes – is not the answer.

I was one of the 12,000 on ‘The List’? I am probably not as clever as the main users of this site but just felt that I would like to give my point. I am not a skinhead and do not wear bovver boots.

I am sorry to disappoint you but I’m not at all racist and believe it or not the BNP do not stand for it.

Main parties can see that our policies make sense and when they caught hold of the ‘stop immigration’ message they immediately branded BNP members as racist. The fact that the BNP had the foresight to see that the immigration into the UK (which is only a small country really) was going to cause problems (which it now has) is now forgotten. Both Labour and the Conservatives have also recently said that immigration is becoming a problem? Does everybody now call them Racist. Of course not. That’s ww in the BNP have to put up with.

If you actually read the BNP manifesto, which is on the website, you will see that they plan to stop giving the 43 million pounds A DAY (of British Tax Payers money) to Europe and plan to use that money for our old age pensioners, some of whom currently have to choose between going hungry or freezing during the winter.

They want the death penalty brought back for child murderers. I know that sounds extreme but the BNP would not put any policies into place without a national vote. There are many policies, which are all aimed at making life for British people easier.

You should open your mind and not believe everything that this government has led everyone to believe. Nick Griffin was charged with inciting racial hatered but was found, by a court, NOT GUILTY.

I was on that list and have received abusive phone calls. Local papers have called me and I see sites, such as this one, who have made the assumption that all BNP members re the sme?

I am not racist. I am a member of the BNP and believe that the policies that they would like to put in place would be for the benefit of all British, regardless of race or colour. What the general public have been gulled into believing is wrong. Are you trying to tell me that there are absolutely no racists at all in the Labour, Conservative or Liberal party’s?

I believe that racism is a vile and disgusting thing. I also believe that this country deserves better and if I have to put up with abuse and hatred from people then so be it. I just can not wait for the day when people are not so narrow minded, open their eyes and see that the present government system just does not work.

I do apologise if you think I’ve gone on a bit but because of the engineered bad press, release of The List, and people just making assumptions it is no wonder that genuine racists think the the BNP party are for them. The BNP do not tolerate this and when proven, racists are made to give up there membership.

I believe, but I have no proof, that such an Ex Member took great offence at this. Copied the list. Went back to his original Labour Party where release of the list was planned and was supposed to make all BNP members panic? All this just before local elections are due to take place. Anyone would believe that they were afraid of being beaten in the polls?

As I say, I have no proof but this is what I believe. It hasn’t made me panic. If anything I think I believe in the party more then anything now and look forward to the day when ALL British people wake up and start to act for Britain, rather then against. No that does not mean I’m racist. I am proud to be British and proud that I live in a country that believes in a vote for everyone.

Anyway why not take a look at the BNP website, with an open mind, and then believe what you want to believe.

Best regards

No, just a certain disdain for needless history lessons…

Jennie: ouch!

Netiquette’s not your bag, is it?

http://pogsurf.blogspot.com/2008/11/sock-no-more.html

As do all dictatorial regimes, and also overlap with crimes perpetrated by ostensibly democratic governments. The British government in 1943 starved to death millions of Indians for the same reasons Stalin had starved to death millions of Ukrainians and Kazakhs 10 years previously. Neither communism nor fascism can be isolated from the historical circumstances in which they evolved.

Cybermen – take human diversity and de-humanise it, remove emotion and replace it with a set of pre-determined, wholly logical and predicytable responses, turning everyone into identical automatons. The key point being that everyone becomes a cyberman eventually. Use all resources to benefit all cybermen. This is communism

Daleks – Dominate the universe by force, don’t bother to convert anyone, use technology and overwhelming force to either subvert into slavery or destroy any opposition. The key objective is that daleks become the only ruling class, with all resources used to perpetuate and spread dalek domination.
This is facscism

Obviously they overlap, and share many common features. The Nazis, for example, were pro-health, pro- ecology, pro-animal welfare and anti-smoking. A description of a group of people who have very much been in the ascendency in the UK since 1997……………

Historically, liberal capitalism has been responsible for millions of deaths. In the 18-19th centuries it was imposed at bayonet-point on the non-European world, leading in some instances (such as the Tasmanian Aborigines or the California Indians) to total genocide. Later forcing the free market on agricultural economies, as in Ireland in the 1840s or India in the 1890s led to millions of deaths through famine. Later the Liberal democracies of Europe – Britain,France, Belgium, the Netherlands – sought to cling their colonies through massacre, torture and concentration camps. then the USA assumed the mantle of protecting the free world and murdered millions either directly (The Korean war, the Vietnam war, the sanctions on Iraq) or through their clients (Chang Kai-Shek, Pinochet, Somoza, Rios Mount, Diem, Park, Reza Shah, Duvalier) in the name of anti-communism. It would be very easy to produce a death count for liberal governments which easily matched or exceeded that of the USSR or Nazi Germany.

I don’t see whats so bad about “discrimination” when you are already talking about mass extermination. As if indiscriminate murder is somehow conceptually more defensible.

But I think the outcome of this sort of discussion is that it doesn’t matter why you want to kill people or whether your notional ideology is left or right, only the extent to which that ideology sanctions violence in pursuit of its aims. Any ideology that constrains itself from its own goals for the sake of not committing violent is stretching towards liberalism. Neither communism/socialism or fascism do that conceptually.

They called themselves Socialists.

That you assert that they were not implies that you believe you are the owner of the English language and that you have the right to define what words mean and how they are used.

Clearly this is not the case. A word means what people use it to mean.

If you look at all the people who ever called themselves “socialists” , you will realise that the interestion of all the policies they stood for is the empty set. In other words, “socialism” has been used to mean so many different and contradictory things that it is meaningless.

For that reason I do not use the word.