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		<title>By: DonaldS</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-76755</link>
		<dc:creator>DonaldS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Given what I wrote http://is.gd/7tMD  re BBC vs. Lonely Planet, the Trust rejection http://is.gd/8pml is right. Assuming local media deliver&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;topsy_trackback_links&quot;&gt;[&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/hackneye/status/1016295694&quot;&gt;Original tweet&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Given what I wrote <a href="http://is.gd/7tMD" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/7tMD</a>  re BBC vs. Lonely Planet, the Trust rejection <a href="http://is.gd/8pml" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/8pml</a> is right. Assuming local media deliver</span></p>
<div class="topsy_trackback_links">[<a href="http://twitter.com/hackneye/status/1016295694">Original tweet</a>]</div>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of people believe we&#039;re ruled by a New Super State? Got a poll to confirm that...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of people believe we&#8217;re ruled by a New Super State? Got a poll to confirm that&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24500</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny I did not notice the referendum   which was lied through precisely because  my &#039;insanity&#039; is shared by the majority. I wonder at what point will it occurr to you that  everyone else may be sane ....scary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny I did not notice the referendum   which was lied through precisely because  my &#8216;insanity&#8217; is shared by the majority. I wonder at what point will it occurr to you that  everyone else may be sane &#8230;.scary</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they have , of course been proved right .&quot;

If you believe that we&#039;ve had the rule of a new superstate imposed on us, then yes. Unfortunately, if you believe that then you&#039;re completely and utterly mad. This, I think, may be where your argument falls down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they have , of course been proved right .&#8221;</p>
<p>If you believe that we&#8217;ve had the rule of a new superstate imposed on us, then yes. Unfortunately, if you believe that then you&#8217;re completely and utterly mad. This, I think, may be where your argument falls down.</p>
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		<title>By: chavscum</title>
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		<dc:creator>chavscum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Newmania. You have comprehensively defeated the so-called liberals on this subject.</description>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24447</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule of thumb: anyone who says things like “traitorous EU constitution” is stark raving mad and can safely be ignored. End of.


Does anyone say ‘End of ‘ other than  perhaps  a  preening faggot bitching about who gets the jewellery  ?  I will only point out that the people who said that the Common Market was no such think and would be used to impose the rule of  New Super-state  on us were also  derided and fruit cakes and  so on by the Establishment. Most of these were of the left at time actually  and they have , of course been proved  right .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule of thumb: anyone who says things like “traitorous EU constitution” is stark raving mad and can safely be ignored. End of.</p>
<p>Does anyone say ‘End of ‘ other than  perhaps  a  preening faggot bitching about who gets the jewellery  ?  I will only point out that the people who said that the Common Market was no such think and would be used to impose the rule of  New Super-state  on us were also  derided and fruit cakes and  so on by the Establishment. Most of these were of the left at time actually  and they have , of course been proved  right .</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has it occurred to you that, very shortly, it might need to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it occurred to you that, very shortly, it might need to?</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule of thumb: anyone who says things like &quot;traitorous EU constitution&quot; is stark raving mad and can safely be ignored. End of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule of thumb: anyone who says things like &#8220;traitorous EU constitution&#8221; is stark raving mad and can safely be ignored. End of.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sceptic Isle 

There are not countless others  ;you assume  I will not know better but I do. I could go on and on with formal links  but that is not the main problem . The problem is  the background assumptions  in its drama , its web site  and its editorial Policy. Take the  traitorous  EU Constitution that the elite have been trying to sell us out with ..In 2004 Tony Blair  announced we would have a national referendum  having previously argued that it was a tidying up exercise . Such lies are still current . During this period  there were detailed studies by Minotaur media tracking that  showed a 70% to 30% bias in favour of defending New Labour`s plot ( A U Turn on the referendum at that time ). Furthermore  the  sceptic coverage was  represented by UKIP{ not the Conservative Party) so as to put the Government in a position of  opposing complete withdrawal .
Minotaur examined 2000  hours of BBC coverage and  concluded there was 
1 An overall bias towards Eurpohile speakers of 2 to  1
2 An untoward emphasis on Conservative divisions 
3 An under representation of Labour sceptics
4 No analysis of  renegotiation
Poor journalistic standards  where erroneous information  favourable to the Europhile position went unchallenged  

The Wilson report that emerged  in 2005 complained about institutional bias …cultural and unintentional bias . Personally I feel it has often gone along way beyond that  but this all pervasive  anti Conservative culture is the fertile soil from which the weeds grow. I would argue that by not admitting to its point of view the BBC is more insidiously  biased than the Daily Mail at times it has been demonstrably  as politically off centre. Polly Toynbee Social Affairs Editor ,  for Christ’s sake could it be any worse ?  

John B -  No if Fox hunters collected a tax from you to finance their hunting it or if they represented a capture by a cultural  power elite of  the media it would be a good comparison. Clown
Jezza - As you are an infantile  fuckwit  the question does not arise .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sceptic Isle </p>
<p>There are not countless others  ;you assume  I will not know better but I do. I could go on and on with formal links  but that is not the main problem . The problem is  the background assumptions  in its drama , its web site  and its editorial Policy. Take the  traitorous  EU Constitution that the elite have been trying to sell us out with ..In 2004 Tony Blair  announced we would have a national referendum  having previously argued that it was a tidying up exercise . Such lies are still current . During this period  there were detailed studies by Minotaur media tracking that  showed a 70% to 30% bias in favour of defending New Labour`s plot ( A U Turn on the referendum at that time ). Furthermore  the  sceptic coverage was  represented by UKIP{ not the Conservative Party) so as to put the Government in a position of  opposing complete withdrawal .<br />
Minotaur examined 2000  hours of BBC coverage and  concluded there was<br />
1 An overall bias towards Eurpohile speakers of 2 to  1<br />
2 An untoward emphasis on Conservative divisions<br />
3 An under representation of Labour sceptics<br />
4 No analysis of  renegotiation<br />
Poor journalistic standards  where erroneous information  favourable to the Europhile position went unchallenged  </p>
<p>The Wilson report that emerged  in 2005 complained about institutional bias …cultural and unintentional bias . Personally I feel it has often gone along way beyond that  but this all pervasive  anti Conservative culture is the fertile soil from which the weeds grow. I would argue that by not admitting to its point of view the BBC is more insidiously  biased than the Daily Mail at times it has been demonstrably  as politically off centre. Polly Toynbee Social Affairs Editor ,  for Christ’s sake could it be any worse ?  </p>
<p>John B &#8211;  No if Fox hunters collected a tax from you to finance their hunting it or if they represented a capture by a cultural  power elite of  the media it would be a good comparison. Clown<br />
Jezza &#8211; As you are an infantile  fuckwit  the question does not arise .</p>
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		<title>By: jezza clarkson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jezza clarkson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newmania, if you&#039;re so good why can&#039;t you spell your own name?

I can understand why you loathe intelligent public-sector broadcasting and want to replace it with a British Fox News. You feel intimidated by people cleverer than yourself, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newmania, if you&#8217;re so good why can&#8217;t you spell your own name?</p>
<p>I can understand why you loathe intelligent public-sector broadcasting and want to replace it with a British Fox News. You feel intimidated by people cleverer than yourself, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Septicisle: the point isn&#039;t supposed to be that lying that the Beeb is Labour-biased is correct: the point is that it&#039;ll fire up twunts like Newmania to vote against it.

And actually, the ban on fox-hunting is a very good comparison: it&#039;s a ridiculous invasion of liberty, done for entirely stupid reasons, by fuckwits who thought that class war was more important than any kind of serious principle.

[no, seriously: vegans have the right to oppose foxhunting; for anyone else, it&#039;s less horrible than even the life of a milk cow, nevermind animals that actually get slaughtered].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Septicisle: the point isn&#8217;t supposed to be that lying that the Beeb is Labour-biased is correct: the point is that it&#8217;ll fire up twunts like Newmania to vote against it.</p>
<p>And actually, the ban on fox-hunting is a very good comparison: it&#8217;s a ridiculous invasion of liberty, done for entirely stupid reasons, by fuckwits who thought that class war was more important than any kind of serious principle.</p>
<p>[no, seriously: vegans have the right to oppose foxhunting; for anyone else, it's less horrible than even the life of a milk cow, nevermind animals that actually get slaughtered].</p>
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		<title>By: septicisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>septicisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newmania, their own personal political allegiances are irrelevant as long as they produce impartial reporting.  We could of course bring up some others who have worked for the BBC who are not left-wing or liberal: Andrew Neil, Jeff Randall, Nick Robinson (Tory in his university days, for goodness sake), and doubtless other examples.  Comparing the BBC to the Daily Mail is utterly ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newmania, their own personal political allegiances are irrelevant as long as they produce impartial reporting.  We could of course bring up some others who have worked for the BBC who are not left-wing or liberal: Andrew Neil, Jeff Randall, Nick Robinson (Tory in his university days, for goodness sake), and doubtless other examples.  Comparing the BBC to the Daily Mail is utterly ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a very interesting situation here don&#039;t we? The BBC is constantly criticised for being poor value, or a waste of money...and it&#039;s things like this that enable it to remain at the value it currently is. Let&#039;s face it, the BBC needs real commercial opportunities and investments to stay viable...if it doesn&#039;t then the License fee is going to increase at a much greater rate than by inflation.

By doing this sort of thing it protects the BBC from its critics, as it provides a self sustaining subsidy to the rest of their output, and I can certainly understand why we would be against this, but I can&#039;t for a second understand why those already against the BBC would be willing to use this as an argument, either for wasting our money (it&#039;s the opposite) or for abolishing the License Fee (which this doesn&#039;t increase, but decreases in comparison to value of output).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a very interesting situation here don&#8217;t we? The BBC is constantly criticised for being poor value, or a waste of money&#8230;and it&#8217;s things like this that enable it to remain at the value it currently is. Let&#8217;s face it, the BBC needs real commercial opportunities and investments to stay viable&#8230;if it doesn&#8217;t then the License fee is going to increase at a much greater rate than by inflation.</p>
<p>By doing this sort of thing it protects the BBC from its critics, as it provides a self sustaining subsidy to the rest of their output, and I can certainly understand why we would be against this, but I can&#8217;t for a second understand why those already against the BBC would be willing to use this as an argument, either for wasting our money (it&#8217;s the opposite) or for abolishing the License Fee (which this doesn&#8217;t increase, but decreases in comparison to value of output).</p>
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		<title>By: Newmnia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newmnia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public hate Europe  , loathe  current immigration levels  , like the death penalty and I agree on all three.  If they liked the BBC in any real, sense the licence fee could be voluntary,  we all know what would happen then  so the truth is they do not like the BBC. Why I should have to either  throw out my TV or dedicate  my like to its extermination  in order to have an opinion on the state  lie machine  is a mystery only adepts of the dimography  like Thomas can divine . Thomas  , tell me , do you think they are laughing with you ? 

As I said the real period of extreme bias was in the late   90s . Recently realising it might face retribution they have tried  to clean up .Too late. After 1997 there was  spate of defections form the BBC directly to the government .Lance Price  joined the No.10 Press Office Martin Sixsmith  worked as a Government Press Officer , Tom Kelly ( Head of News N Ireland ) joined the No. 10 Press office . Ed Richards ( head of Strategy) went to  work for Gordon Brown . Bill Bush  head of political research  joined a research unit at No.10  as did Catherine Rimmer his colleague .John Birt obviously takes the Labour whip in the Lords .Don Brind (BBC Political correspondent )   went to the Labour Party Press Office ,. Sarah Hunter ( BBC Policy Directorate ) joined Downing Street . Joy Johnson BBC New Editor  at Westminster  went to Labours Press Office .Ben Bradshaw  I expect you know ( World this Weekend ). Chris Bryant . James Purnell ,( come on down  you former head of BBC cooperate Planning )Other notables , Jill Tweedie  Polly Toynbee  staggeringly Social affairs editor for years Rawnsley Marr, Naughtie  all  left leaning progressives
There is nothing comparable  by way of links with the Conservative Party  and there could not be because these famous  examples are only the tip of the political correctness iceberg. Now what I want to know is this . How can anyone calling themselves a Liberal possibly  support a Poll tax  warping the media in any direction . How do you fancy being  taxed to fund the Daily Mail , Simon Heffer being Editor of Social Affairs or  Peter Hitchens   conducting the set piece interviews  funded by their cash?


That is what we have had to put up with for years  and understandably  there is an account to settle ./ Thats all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public hate Europe  , loathe  current immigration levels  , like the death penalty and I agree on all three.  If they liked the BBC in any real, sense the licence fee could be voluntary,  we all know what would happen then  so the truth is they do not like the BBC. Why I should have to either  throw out my TV or dedicate  my like to its extermination  in order to have an opinion on the state  lie machine  is a mystery only adepts of the dimography  like Thomas can divine . Thomas  , tell me , do you think they are laughing with you ? </p>
<p>As I said the real period of extreme bias was in the late   90s . Recently realising it might face retribution they have tried  to clean up .Too late. After 1997 there was  spate of defections form the BBC directly to the government .Lance Price  joined the No.10 Press Office Martin Sixsmith  worked as a Government Press Officer , Tom Kelly ( Head of News N Ireland ) joined the No. 10 Press office . Ed Richards ( head of Strategy) went to  work for Gordon Brown . Bill Bush  head of political research  joined a research unit at No.10  as did Catherine Rimmer his colleague .John Birt obviously takes the Labour whip in the Lords .Don Brind (BBC Political correspondent )   went to the Labour Party Press Office ,. Sarah Hunter ( BBC Policy Directorate ) joined Downing Street . Joy Johnson BBC New Editor  at Westminster  went to Labours Press Office .Ben Bradshaw  I expect you know ( World this Weekend ). Chris Bryant . James Purnell ,( come on down  you former head of BBC cooperate Planning )Other notables , Jill Tweedie  Polly Toynbee  staggeringly Social affairs editor for years Rawnsley Marr, Naughtie  all  left leaning progressives<br />
There is nothing comparable  by way of links with the Conservative Party  and there could not be because these famous  examples are only the tip of the political correctness iceberg. Now what I want to know is this . How can anyone calling themselves a Liberal possibly  support a Poll tax  warping the media in any direction . How do you fancy being  taxed to fund the Daily Mail , Simon Heffer being Editor of Social Affairs or  Peter Hitchens   conducting the set piece interviews  funded by their cash?</p>
<p>That is what we have had to put up with for years  and understandably  there is an account to settle ./ Thats all.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newmania,
the BBC also has well documented links with the Conservative party and in fact all parties, as should be naturally expected of any nationally-sponsored organisation and all reputable news organisations.

Now, if your complaint is that the relative balance/bias of the corporation isn&#039;t in-keeping with your own prejudices you can always apply to be the next chairman, start a non-payment protest and see where that gets you or simply get rid of your TV, but your lobbying is clearly politically motivated and is sufficiently answered on a daily basis by the ability of your favoured party to have something sufficiently relevant to say on each topic to get into the reports.

If you are not prepared to take any of the above mentioned courses then everything you have to say on the topic is empty of any substantive content.

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newmania,<br />
the BBC also has well documented links with the Conservative party and in fact all parties, as should be naturally expected of any nationally-sponsored organisation and all reputable news organisations.</p>
<p>Now, if your complaint is that the relative balance/bias of the corporation isn&#8217;t in-keeping with your own prejudices you can always apply to be the next chairman, start a non-payment protest and see where that gets you or simply get rid of your TV, but your lobbying is clearly politically motivated and is sufficiently answered on a daily basis by the ability of your favoured party to have something sufficiently relevant to say on each topic to get into the reports.</p>
<p>If you are not prepared to take any of the above mentioned courses then everything you have to say on the topic is empty of any substantive content.</p>
<p>You are the weakest link. Goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 25: they used to, now it&#039;s down to 50/50 support/oppose (slightly higher when there&#039;s an unusually horrible murder all over the press, slightly lower when someone innocent gets let out). Hopefully the trend&#039;ll continue in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 25: they used to, now it&#8217;s down to 50/50 support/oppose (slightly higher when there&#8217;s an unusually horrible murder all over the press, slightly lower when someone innocent gets let out). Hopefully the trend&#8217;ll continue in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: chris strange</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24391</link>
		<dc:creator>chris strange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine that this was News Corporation, rather than the BBC, that was being talked about. Would you all then be so supportive of its efforts? Imagine that it was Rupert Murdock that had just bought the company that was already the biggest player in the travel market and was deliberately targeting a long-running, independent travel magazine, undercutting ad rates and planning a launch issue to coincide with their 100th.  The same arguments apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that this was News Corporation, rather than the BBC, that was being talked about. Would you all then be so supportive of its efforts? Imagine that it was Rupert Murdock that had just bought the company that was already the biggest player in the travel market and was deliberately targeting a long-running, independent travel magazine, undercutting ad rates and planning a launch issue to coincide with their 100th.  The same arguments apply.</p>
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		<title>By: chavscum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24389</link>
		<dc:creator>chavscum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also like the death penalty</description>
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		<title>By: tim f</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24387</link>
		<dc:creator>tim f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it&#039;s our foxhunting&quot;

The trouble for you is, the public like the bbc but they don&#039;t like foxhunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s our foxhunting&#8221;</p>
<p>The trouble for you is, the public like the bbc but they don&#8217;t like foxhunting.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24385</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, notorious Labour stooges like Jeff Randall and Andrew Gilligan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, notorious Labour stooges like Jeff Randall and Andrew Gilligan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Newmnia</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24384</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmnia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Gruff during the 90s  a cultural  fissure  was opened between the Conservative Party and the country  which the entire effort of David Cameron has been directed at closing . That work is incomplete  and  , it is forgotten  ,  we did not expect to be in a position to win the next election . I am far from certain that a longer period of rapprochement would not be preferable  myself,  but  the engine of this triumph of the privileged  baby boomer  elite Liberal Conspiracy  was the BBC. 
It was during this period that Polly Toynbee was the editor of social affairs  and attitudes were informed almost exclusively by Guardian journalists and  those who either worked for or went on to work for the Labour Party. If you would like details I will supply them
That Conservatives were taxed  and forced to assist in bringing about this  catastrophe should never be forgiven or forgotten. It will not be and when there is next a Conservative  administration the BBC are well aware that there is one scalp above all others that the Party will demand ; theirs. It is , if you like , our fox hunting . In fact their output now is far less biased  but its too late for that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Gruff during the 90s  a cultural  fissure  was opened between the Conservative Party and the country  which the entire effort of David Cameron has been directed at closing . That work is incomplete  and  , it is forgotten  ,  we did not expect to be in a position to win the next election . I am far from certain that a longer period of rapprochement would not be preferable  myself,  but  the engine of this triumph of the privileged  baby boomer  elite Liberal Conspiracy  was the BBC.<br />
It was during this period that Polly Toynbee was the editor of social affairs  and attitudes were informed almost exclusively by Guardian journalists and  those who either worked for or went on to work for the Labour Party. If you would like details I will supply them<br />
That Conservatives were taxed  and forced to assist in bringing about this  catastrophe should never be forgiven or forgotten. It will not be and when there is next a Conservative  administration the BBC are well aware that there is one scalp above all others that the Party will demand ; theirs. It is , if you like , our fox hunting . In fact their output now is far less biased  but its too late for that now.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Goat Gruff</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24380</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Goat Gruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Chavscum there was entirely lucid .If by no-body you mean...

Perhaps just those of us exposed to chavscum popping out from under her/his bridge with such predictibility in posts mentioning tories/bbc/etc. At least you make me smile (sometimes) Newmania with a veneer of wit with your trolls, although I&#039;ve noticed that you both usually pop out in tandem on the same subjects with tedious regularity. Are you by some chance related? 

Chavscum needs to go back to troll-skool at the very least. 2/10 for efftiveness

Wot sally said, in shedloads. Oh for a kill list...

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Chavscum there was entirely lucid .If by no-body you mean&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps just those of us exposed to chavscum popping out from under her/his bridge with such predictibility in posts mentioning tories/bbc/etc. At least you make me smile (sometimes) Newmania with a veneer of wit with your trolls, although I&#8217;ve noticed that you both usually pop out in tandem on the same subjects with tedious regularity. Are you by some chance related? </p>
<p>Chavscum needs to go back to troll-skool at the very least. 2/10 for efftiveness</p>
<p>Wot sally said, in shedloads. Oh for a kill list&#8230;</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Newmnia</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24378</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmnia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally Chavscum there was entirely lucid .If  by  no-body you mean no-one  in a coterie iof parochial  nobodies picking fleas of eachtoher  you have  a point . Otherwise the  BBC is a recognised  farce and its  links with the Labour Party are indeed well documented. Would you like me to teach you a lesson on the subject or would you prefer to keep your ignorance to yourself ?

Up to you dear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally Chavscum there was entirely lucid .If  by  no-body you mean no-one  in a coterie iof parochial  nobodies picking fleas of eachtoher  you have  a point . Otherwise the  BBC is a recognised  farce and its  links with the Labour Party are indeed well documented. Would you like me to teach you a lesson on the subject or would you prefer to keep your ignorance to yourself ?</p>
<p>Up to you dear</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24370</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavscum

&quot;Its links to the Labour Party are well documented. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Nobody gives a flying fuck what you have to say troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavscum</p>
<p>&#8220;Its links to the Labour Party are well documented. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>Nobody gives a flying fuck what you have to say troll.</p>
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		<title>By: chavscum</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/14/not-defending-the-bbc-not-this-time-anyway/#comment-24366</link>
		<dc:creator>chavscum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can the BBC be independent from the State? Its owned and controlled by the State. Its links to the Labour Party are well documented. It controls some 50% of UK broadcasting, by taxing rich and poor the same amount for owning a television and by threat of imprisonment. This is thoroughly illiberal. The fact that most of you support the current system, unsurprisingly, shows you are just plastic liberals. Liberalism to you is just a theme to hijack. 

&quot;its a great institution&quot; Yeah, just like the hereditary House of Lords and foxhunting.

As for maintaining high standards, so what if they decline. Its pretentious and patronising to suggest your cultural preferences are more important than those of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can the BBC be independent from the State? Its owned and controlled by the State. Its links to the Labour Party are well documented. It controls some 50% of UK broadcasting, by taxing rich and poor the same amount for owning a television and by threat of imprisonment. This is thoroughly illiberal. The fact that most of you support the current system, unsurprisingly, shows you are just plastic liberals. Liberalism to you is just a theme to hijack. </p>
<p>&#8220;its a great institution&#8221; Yeah, just like the hereditary House of Lords and foxhunting.</p>
<p>As for maintaining high standards, so what if they decline. Its pretentious and patronising to suggest your cultural preferences are more important than those of others.</p>
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