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		<title>By: Sunder Katwala</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-139288</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunder Katwala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael_Merrick yes, I agree on class point see http://bit.ly/bgFXGn and at end of this http://bit.ly/p059W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael_Merrick yes, I agree on class point see <a href="http://bit.ly/bgFXGn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bgFXGn</a> and at end of this <a href="http://bit.ly/p059W" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/p059W</a></p>
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		<title>By: peezedtee</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24529</link>
		<dc:creator>peezedtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is simple: Elections by the single transferable vote in multi-member constituencies (PT/STV). This will automatically and organically produce a representative assembly without any need for primaries, ethnic short-lists, women-only shortlists or any other artificial, anti-democratic devices.

With PR/STV, you will get gays, blacks, asians, women, the disabled, or any other group you can think of, elected in the right proportions, to the extent that electors themselves wish, at any given time, to be governed by those criteria. On the other hand, it does not force them to elect such representatives if they do not want them. If the parties fail to put up enough such people, they can stand as independents and still get elected where there is any significant demand for such representation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is simple: Elections by the single transferable vote in multi-member constituencies (PT/STV). This will automatically and organically produce a representative assembly without any need for primaries, ethnic short-lists, women-only shortlists or any other artificial, anti-democratic devices.</p>
<p>With PR/STV, you will get gays, blacks, asians, women, the disabled, or any other group you can think of, elected in the right proportions, to the extent that electors themselves wish, at any given time, to be governed by those criteria. On the other hand, it does not force them to elect such representatives if they do not want them. If the parties fail to put up enough such people, they can stand as independents and still get elected where there is any significant demand for such representation.</p>
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		<title>By: ukliberty</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24347</link>
		<dc:creator>ukliberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people do not want regional assemblies and they do not want additional layers of government.  Engagement with political processes would be improved by making more powers more local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people do not want regional assemblies and they do not want additional layers of government.  Engagement with political processes would be improved by making more powers more local.</p>
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		<title>By: Trofim</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24307</link>
		<dc:creator>Trofim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logically there is  justification to promote diversity and to combat discrimination for every parameter that makes humans different from each other, the number of which infinite. Research has shown, for instance, that good-looking people have much better life chances, get better jobs, end up with more money, are more successful in getting sex and partners, than ugly people and so on. Are ugly people properly represented in parliament.  Likewise you could make a case for short people, men with beards (unpopular in business circles), women with facial hair, spottiness and so on. It is an open-ended list. Why, therefore, concentrate on this one parameter, race? Simply because race has been built up into a totemic obsession for a certain section of the population, and for a large subset of them, it is their living. Look at all the diversity managers in the NHS, soaking up money that could go to nurses. Note the gloating MP for Gloucester, crowing that he has got one over on whitey. Can he be relied upon to serve his pink-skinned constituents as well as he serves his brown-skinned constituents? I hope this little episode was in the Gloucester local press. I agree with Aaron Heath. We need to devolve power away from the remote and unrepresentatuve south-east of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logically there is  justification to promote diversity and to combat discrimination for every parameter that makes humans different from each other, the number of which infinite. Research has shown, for instance, that good-looking people have much better life chances, get better jobs, end up with more money, are more successful in getting sex and partners, than ugly people and so on. Are ugly people properly represented in parliament.  Likewise you could make a case for short people, men with beards (unpopular in business circles), women with facial hair, spottiness and so on. It is an open-ended list. Why, therefore, concentrate on this one parameter, race? Simply because race has been built up into a totemic obsession for a certain section of the population, and for a large subset of them, it is their living. Look at all the diversity managers in the NHS, soaking up money that could go to nurses. Note the gloating MP for Gloucester, crowing that he has got one over on whitey. Can he be relied upon to serve his pink-skinned constituents as well as he serves his brown-skinned constituents? I hope this little episode was in the Gloucester local press. I agree with Aaron Heath. We need to devolve power away from the remote and unrepresentatuve south-east of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24276</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The decline in manufacturing and heavy industry did   much to reduce the power of the regions. The return of successful people, who could represent the regions and did not want perks offered by the whips  woud reduce the power of S England. The problem is that too many MPs have beer budgets but champagne tastes and look upon politics as a career. If mps were financialy independent and considered it an honour to represent their constituents, they would be indifferent to the whips blandishments and could hold the executive to account. Having more homosexual, women,ethnic minority, religious minority  and handicapped mps who have no experience outside of politics and are completely controlled by the whips will not improve the situation.

We are fighting two wars yet how many mps have combat experience? Our economy is in dire straights yet how many mps have set up and run companies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decline in manufacturing and heavy industry did   much to reduce the power of the regions. The return of successful people, who could represent the regions and did not want perks offered by the whips  woud reduce the power of S England. The problem is that too many MPs have beer budgets but champagne tastes and look upon politics as a career. If mps were financialy independent and considered it an honour to represent their constituents, they would be indifferent to the whips blandishments and could hold the executive to account. Having more homosexual, women,ethnic minority, religious minority  and handicapped mps who have no experience outside of politics and are completely controlled by the whips will not improve the situation.</p>
<p>We are fighting two wars yet how many mps have combat experience? Our economy is in dire straights yet how many mps have set up and run companies?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24275</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just seen this:

http://nds.coi.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=384075&amp;NewsAreaID=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just seen this:</p>
<p><a href="http://nds.coi.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=384075&#038;NewsAreaID=2" rel="nofollow">http://nds.coi.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=384075&#038;NewsAreaID=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Killingworth</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24267</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Killingworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the answer is obvious, innit? 

Open primaries. Most of the problem arises from selectorates second-guessing what they think voters want. Mind you, on the only occasion I was part of one, it never occurred to me afterwards that because we&#039;d chosen the black woman on the list to carry the Party banner (sucessfully, it was a safe seat) that white voters would feel less represented than they had been. 

I would also add that at the last census a million Brits were age 85 or over, but I somehow doubt that there&#039;ll much traction for diversity to extend to &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;. I don&#039;t know what proportion of MPs attended Russell Group universities (if it was over 80% I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised) but no one sees this as a problem - or do they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the answer is obvious, innit? </p>
<p>Open primaries. Most of the problem arises from selectorates second-guessing what they think voters want. Mind you, on the only occasion I was part of one, it never occurred to me afterwards that because we&#8217;d chosen the black woman on the list to carry the Party banner (sucessfully, it was a safe seat) that white voters would feel less represented than they had been. </p>
<p>I would also add that at the last census a million Brits were age 85 or over, but I somehow doubt that there&#8217;ll much traction for diversity to extend to <i>them</i>. I don&#8217;t know what proportion of MPs attended Russell Group universities (if it was over 80% I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised) but no one sees this as a problem &#8211; or do they?</p>
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		<title>By: ukliberty</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24261</link>
		<dc:creator>ukliberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2008-11-12a.896.0#g896.1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Theyworkforyou is a bit easier on the eye&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2008-11-12a.896.0#g896.1" rel="nofollow">Theyworkforyou is a bit easier on the eye</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/13/speakers-conference-on-diversity-in-parliament/#comment-24258</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m supporting Tony Wright&#039;s position to say that the important issue is not a &quot;more diverse HoC&quot;, but a more representative HoC. 

The current lack of diversity and under-representation of various portions of society is what prevents the HoC from being fully representative in its current composition.

I would however say that Parliament IS representative of the relative distribution of power in this country, so, really, instead of complaining that the results of the current distribution of power is unfairly unrepresentative we should be looking at ways in which access to power is distributed more equitably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m supporting Tony Wright&#8217;s position to say that the important issue is not a &#8220;more diverse HoC&#8221;, but a more representative HoC. </p>
<p>The current lack of diversity and under-representation of various portions of society is what prevents the HoC from being fully representative in its current composition.</p>
<p>I would however say that Parliament IS representative of the relative distribution of power in this country, so, really, instead of complaining that the results of the current distribution of power is unfairly unrepresentative we should be looking at ways in which access to power is distributed more equitably.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m male, white and attended a private school - yet I disagree with the majority of policies from all major (and minor) parties.  Does that make me under-represented?  Perhaps Harman should notice that your physical characteristics don&#039;t always create your views or policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m male, white and attended a private school &#8211; yet I disagree with the majority of policies from all major (and minor) parties.  Does that make me under-represented?  Perhaps Harman should notice that your physical characteristics don&#8217;t always create your views or policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you know the golden rule in Chicago on election day: &lt;em&gt;vote early, vote often&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you know the golden rule in Chicago on election day: <em>vote early, vote often</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds good, thanks for the report Sunder.

&lt;i&gt;I don’t like the idea of ethnic or woman-only short lists.&lt;/i&gt;

Aaron, I doubt there will be an or in between those. From what I hear, there will be a &#039;diverse&#039; shortlists with women and minorities in them. Not happy about that either, admittedly.

&lt;i&gt;America just elected a black politician without such provision&lt;/i&gt;

Aha! Not exactly. Chicago itself is very steeped in black power politics... which Obama negotiated through and partly took advantage of. But in terms of getting to the top once he was inside, you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good, thanks for the report Sunder.</p>
<p><i>I don’t like the idea of ethnic or woman-only short lists.</i></p>
<p>Aaron, I doubt there will be an or in between those. From what I hear, there will be a &#8216;diverse&#8217; shortlists with women and minorities in them. Not happy about that either, admittedly.</p>
<p><i>America just elected a black politician without such provision</i></p>
<p>Aha! Not exactly. Chicago itself is very steeped in black power politics&#8230; which Obama negotiated through and partly took advantage of. But in terms of getting to the top once he was inside, you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a need for a wholesale constitutional change in British politics. London is way, way too powerful.

We should have regional assemblies with local representatives. This would redistribute political power to the regions and reduce the imperial overreach of Westminster. I also believe this would provide an environment for local business people, community workers, and politically minded subjects to get involved in a much higher profile way than council politics could possibly offer. 

If areas have large ethnic populations, this will be reflected in the representatives they select. The local politicians will then have a better chance of getting national prominence as the media will have to spread itself beyond London. 

I don&#039;t like the idea of ethnic or woman-only short lists. America just elected a black politician without such provision, and Thatcher rose to the top without it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a need for a wholesale constitutional change in British politics. London is way, way too powerful.</p>
<p>We should have regional assemblies with local representatives. This would redistribute political power to the regions and reduce the imperial overreach of Westminster. I also believe this would provide an environment for local business people, community workers, and politically minded subjects to get involved in a much higher profile way than council politics could possibly offer. </p>
<p>If areas have large ethnic populations, this will be reflected in the representatives they select. The local politicians will then have a better chance of getting national prominence as the media will have to spread itself beyond London. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea of ethnic or woman-only short lists. America just elected a black politician without such provision, and Thatcher rose to the top without it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.Harperson is a niece of Elizabeth, Countess of Longford    I would love to know how she feels she has been discriminated against. What a joke that woman is  .We have had the pointless Blair babes and  we have suffered a lobby fodder Parliament  reduced to pantomime  for too long .As long as every category but class is considered  for leg ups you will increase the justifiable resentment many feel for those who get a free ride.
How many people that truly represent the  Southern lower middleclass  are there in Parliament .The estate agents, mortgage brokers and service people who are all facing unemployment  with crushing debts for tiny houses they will lose  .This  after ten years of supposed boom has been flushed down the Public sector  toilet . Yes lets have some proper representation but for fuck`s sake  not a Benetton advert  collection of  skin pigmentarians  gays and   the rest  what  an aristocrat like Harman  thinks are  worthy of her patronage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.Harperson is a niece of Elizabeth, Countess of Longford    I would love to know how she feels she has been discriminated against. What a joke that woman is  .We have had the pointless Blair babes and  we have suffered a lobby fodder Parliament  reduced to pantomime  for too long .As long as every category but class is considered  for leg ups you will increase the justifiable resentment many feel for those who get a free ride.<br />
How many people that truly represent the  Southern lower middleclass  are there in Parliament .The estate agents, mortgage brokers and service people who are all facing unemployment  with crushing debts for tiny houses they will lose  .This  after ten years of supposed boom has been flushed down the Public sector  toilet . Yes lets have some proper representation but for fuck`s sake  not a Benetton advert  collection of  skin pigmentarians  gays and   the rest  what  an aristocrat like Harman  thinks are  worthy of her patronage</p>
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