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	<title>Comments on: Responding positively to cynicism and Hazel Blears &#8211; volunteers wanted!</title>
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		<title>By: Hazel Blears, Hazel Blears, She wants you to Volunteer! &#124; The Wardman Wire</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-24394</link>
		<dc:creator>Hazel Blears, Hazel Blears, She wants you to Volunteer! &#124; The Wardman Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] offered to tackle the chapter on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-24121</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, 
can you send them to Aaron&#039;s email: aaronh [at] liberalconspiracy [dot] org
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
can you send them to Aaron&#8217;s email: aaronh [at] liberalconspiracy [dot] org<br />
thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-24059</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, how do you want us to send in our analysis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, how do you want us to send in our analysis?</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-24045</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot everybody, it looks like we&#039;ve got this covered now. Hopefully we&#039;ve whetted you&#039;re appetites that you&#039;re now champing at the bit to have your say - well, at least let&#039;s now try to give a better consultation service and provide more feedback than Hazel Blears stimulated on the blog she created especially for the purpose!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot everybody, it looks like we&#8217;ve got this covered now. Hopefully we&#8217;ve whetted you&#8217;re appetites that you&#8217;re now champing at the bit to have your say &#8211; well, at least let&#8217;s now try to give a better consultation service and provide more feedback than Hazel Blears stimulated on the blog she created especially for the purpose!</p>
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		<title>By: David Keen</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-24034</link>
		<dc:creator>David Keen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll do chapter 2, as I work with a lot of volunteers, though you&#039;ll need to cross post it from the Wardman Wire. I&#039;m not a Liberal Conspiracy regular, but if you can cope with a different perspective then count me in. I&#039;ll probably cover the intro and summary as well, but I guess most of us will be referring back to these anyway to give context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll do chapter 2, as I work with a lot of volunteers, though you&#8217;ll need to cross post it from the Wardman Wire. I&#8217;m not a Liberal Conspiracy regular, but if you can cope with a different perspective then count me in. I&#8217;ll probably cover the intro and summary as well, but I guess most of us will be referring back to these anyway to give context.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23988</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, 
the more the merrier!

I&#039;ve been trying to find out the level of response Blears has recieved for her efforts in promoting consultation on this white paper in the three months since it was launched, and it seems she generally prefers to avoid feedback.

Of note is an interesting article in the FT today http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/684e7962-aeb2-11dd-b621-000077b07658.html which shows the government spent £62,900 on public consultations on proposed legislaton for its forthcoming Queen&#039;s speech. 

The 62 regional events had total attendance of 1,200 and recieved less than 700 comments or suggestions generated for the 18 bills (though whether restricting comments to max500 characters was a factor is unknown), Harriet Harman &#039;refused to comment on the quality of the submissions, or to state whether any had had a material impact on the proposed legislation&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,<br />
the more the merrier!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to find out the level of response Blears has recieved for her efforts in promoting consultation on this white paper in the three months since it was launched, and it seems she generally prefers to avoid feedback.</p>
<p>Of note is an interesting article in the FT today <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/684e7962-aeb2-11dd-b621-000077b07658.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/684e7962-aeb2-11dd-b621-000077b07658.html</a> which shows the government spent £62,900 on public consultations on proposed legislaton for its forthcoming Queen&#8217;s speech. </p>
<p>The 62 regional events had total attendance of 1,200 and recieved less than 700 comments or suggestions generated for the 18 bills (though whether restricting comments to max500 characters was a factor is unknown), Harriet Harman &#8216;refused to comment on the quality of the submissions, or to state whether any had had a material impact on the proposed legislation&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kennick</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23957</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Kennick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone join in? If so I&#039;ll have a stab at Chapter 6 - redress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone join in? If so I&#8217;ll have a stab at Chapter 6 &#8211; redress.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Paul</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23932</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which doesn&#039;t mean that half of Guido&#039;s output is NOT nihilistic and corrosive. But lie-blogger Nadine Dorries appears to have forgotten to tell us all ad nauseum that her daughter PSD has &lt;a href=&quot;http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2008/11/exclusive-nadine-can-keep-family-secret.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;been working for her for a fortnight or so&lt;/a&gt;. And usually all they have to do is burp to get coverage. Nads must be too busy to blog about the important things in life? Or ashamed perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which doesn&#8217;t mean that half of Guido&#8217;s output is NOT nihilistic and corrosive. But lie-blogger Nadine Dorries appears to have forgotten to tell us all ad nauseum that her daughter PSD has <a href="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2008/11/exclusive-nadine-can-keep-family-secret.html" rel="nofollow">been working for her for a fortnight or so</a>. And usually all they have to do is burp to get coverage. Nads must be too busy to blog about the important things in life? Or ashamed perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23930</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I agree that we can demonstrate we&#039;re more constructive than Blears gives bloggers credit. But largely, I agree with her view that we couldn&#039;t be as constructive as we could be in theory or in practice (across the pond).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I agree that we can demonstrate we&#8217;re more constructive than Blears gives bloggers credit. But largely, I agree with her view that we couldn&#8217;t be as constructive as we could be in theory or in practice (across the pond).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23929</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, I think Thomas means that we will prove her comments about bloggers wrong by engaging properly with her proposals. 
The purpose of this excercise as I see it is to critique her white paper and come up with a constructive response. There wouldn&#039;t be much point is spending time going through it and posting articles in response if we were just going to trash it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, I think Thomas means that we will prove her comments about bloggers wrong by engaging properly with her proposals.<br />
The purpose of this excercise as I see it is to critique her white paper and come up with a constructive response. There wouldn&#8217;t be much point is spending time going through it and posting articles in response if we were just going to trash it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny Hundal</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23926</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny Hundal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This project doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be just to prove Blears wrong. That&#039;s trying to determine the outcome before we&#039;ve had a chance to examine and evaluate it.

Furthermore, its more likely to have been written by a civil servant than Blears herself. So let&#039;s not try and trash it before the project has begun.

If I was back in England I&#039;d contribute, but I can&#039;t until next week I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This project doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be just to prove Blears wrong. That&#8217;s trying to determine the outcome before we&#8217;ve had a chance to examine and evaluate it.</p>
<p>Furthermore, its more likely to have been written by a civil servant than Blears herself. So let&#8217;s not try and trash it before the project has begun.</p>
<p>If I was back in England I&#8217;d contribute, but I can&#8217;t until next week I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23919</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m up for it. I&#039;ll take Chapter 5 - &quot;Challenge&quot; if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m up for it. I&#8217;ll take Chapter 5 &#8211; &#8220;Challenge&#8221; if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Heath</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23918</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Unity said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Unity said.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23917</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1, I&#039;ll take chapter 7 - &quot;Standing for Office&quot;

2. As far as publishing anything under the LC banner, at this stage let&#039;s just run with volunteers unpicking each of the chapters and use comments to open up a debate. Once that&#039;s done, then we can have an internal conflab about what, if anything, we carry forward as a response. 

That&#039;s more or less how the position on the abortion debate evolved - we held the debate out in the open, worked out any kinks that emerged behind the scenes and wound up with a fairly cohesive collective position. 

If we can do that again, then we have a model for manifesto building that should serve us pretty well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1, I&#8217;ll take chapter 7 &#8211; &#8220;Standing for Office&#8221;</p>
<p>2. As far as publishing anything under the LC banner, at this stage let&#8217;s just run with volunteers unpicking each of the chapters and use comments to open up a debate. Once that&#8217;s done, then we can have an internal conflab about what, if anything, we carry forward as a response. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s more or less how the position on the abortion debate evolved &#8211; we held the debate out in the open, worked out any kinks that emerged behind the scenes and wound up with a fairly cohesive collective position. </p>
<p>If we can do that again, then we have a model for manifesto building that should serve us pretty well</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Heath</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23915</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; I’m quite happy to put up a critique, but there needs to be an internal (LC) coming together before anything was published under the LC banner, I’d have thought. Quite how that works out, I have no idea!&lt;/em&gt;

Indeed. Something to look into over the coming week(s). Let&#039;s see where we are in a few days with volunteers and then we can see about setting something up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> I’m quite happy to put up a critique, but there needs to be an internal (LC) coming together before anything was published under the LC banner, I’d have thought. Quite how that works out, I have no idea!</em></p>
<p>Indeed. Something to look into over the coming week(s). Let&#8217;s see where we are in a few days with volunteers and then we can see about setting something up.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23914</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thomas,

As I&#039;ve said elsewhere on here, I think this is a great idea.

I&#039;d be happy to tackle Chapter 4, if you like - &#039;Having an Influence&#039;. Though my entire thrust is likely to be that &#039;Having an Influence&#039; is actually not quite enough. So, I agree with the main thrust of Justins&#039;s comment at 3.

 I&#039;m quite happy to put up a critique, but there needs to be an internal (LC) coming together before anything was published under the LC banner, I&#039;d have thought. Quite how that works out, I have no idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thomas,</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said elsewhere on here, I think this is a great idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to tackle Chapter 4, if you like &#8211; &#8216;Having an Influence&#8217;. Though my entire thrust is likely to be that &#8216;Having an Influence&#8217; is actually not quite enough. So, I agree with the main thrust of Justins&#8217;s comment at 3.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m quite happy to put up a critique, but there needs to be an internal (LC) coming together before anything was published under the LC banner, I&#8217;d have thought. Quite how that works out, I have no idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23913</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not throw it open to as many volunteers as possible? Why not have two or three people analysing a chapter? That way you&#039;re going to get a spread of views and perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not throw it open to as many volunteers as possible? Why not have two or three people analysing a chapter? That way you&#8217;re going to get a spread of views and perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23912</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Sunny asked me to write a new piece introducing the idea and we&#039;ll have to see how it works before analysing white papers becomes a regular feature.

So yes, thanks, we just need to drum up a couple more volunteers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Sunny asked me to write a new piece introducing the idea and we&#8217;ll have to see how it works before analysing white papers becomes a regular feature.</p>
<p>So yes, thanks, we just need to drum up a couple more volunteers.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/11/09/responding-positively-to-cynicism-and-hazel-blears-volunteers-wanted/#comment-23908</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said in the earlier thread, I&#039;l take &#039;Chapter 3: Access to information&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in the earlier thread, I&#8217;l take &#8216;Chapter 3: Access to information&#8217;.</p>
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