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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Loveable&#8217; banking?</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Munro</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22361</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we need banks (in so far as I accept the premise that materialism is a good thing)  But we need banks under their pre Thatcher, pre fractional reserve model.  For the left this creates some unpalatable truths;

We will have to go back to a position where only the &quot;middle classes&quot; (salaried and relatively secure careers) and the financially prudent can aspire to home ownership.  Everyone else will rent or hope to be left property in a will.  The upside of this is that in real terms houses will get cheaper and people on average salaries will again be able to afford an average house.

Ditto credit.  Until the 1980s most people did not have credit cards. Getting a bank loan was quite a big deal.   People will have to save up to buy things again, a habit which died out with my grandparents generation.

All of this would mean the entire economy contracts.  Probably permanently.  With a much tighter money supply consumers will no longer be able to binge on credit, the service sector in particular, which is 70% of the UK economy, will be hit hard. 

The upside could be - a partial rebirth of manufacturing indutry in the UK.  With demand for services down, credit tigh, a weak currency and low inflation,  making stuff as opposed to buying it from China becomes more economically attractive. 

I remember the veteran socialist Tony Benn saying in the 1980s &quot;We can&#039;t build an economy by selling each other hamburgers and life insurance&quot;  he was dismissed as a loony at the time, but it looks like he was right after all.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we need banks (in so far as I accept the premise that materialism is a good thing)  But we need banks under their pre Thatcher, pre fractional reserve model.  For the left this creates some unpalatable truths;</p>
<p>We will have to go back to a position where only the &#8220;middle classes&#8221; (salaried and relatively secure careers) and the financially prudent can aspire to home ownership.  Everyone else will rent or hope to be left property in a will.  The upside of this is that in real terms houses will get cheaper and people on average salaries will again be able to afford an average house.</p>
<p>Ditto credit.  Until the 1980s most people did not have credit cards. Getting a bank loan was quite a big deal.   People will have to save up to buy things again, a habit which died out with my grandparents generation.</p>
<p>All of this would mean the entire economy contracts.  Probably permanently.  With a much tighter money supply consumers will no longer be able to binge on credit, the service sector in particular, which is 70% of the UK economy, will be hit hard. </p>
<p>The upside could be &#8211; a partial rebirth of manufacturing indutry in the UK.  With demand for services down, credit tigh, a weak currency and low inflation,  making stuff as opposed to buying it from China becomes more economically attractive. </p>
<p>I remember the veteran socialist Tony Benn saying in the 1980s &#8220;We can&#8217;t build an economy by selling each other hamburgers and life insurance&#8221;  he was dismissed as a loony at the time, but it looks like he was right after all&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jock</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22357</link>
		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One might suggest that investing in a bank that bankrolls the existing regime is far from &quot;loveable&quot;...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might suggest that investing in a bank that bankrolls the existing regime is far from &#8220;loveable&#8221;&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Redding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Redding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s the Co-Op, but there are also places like &lt;a href=&quot;https://unity.co.uk/information/100078/about_us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unity&lt;/a&gt; or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecology.co.uk/html/aboutus/different.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ecology Building Society&lt;/a&gt; to invest in as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s the Co-Op, but there are also places like <a href="https://unity.co.uk/information/100078/about_us/" rel="nofollow">Unity</a> or the <a href="http://www.ecology.co.uk/html/aboutus/different.htm" rel="nofollow">Ecology Building Society</a> to invest in as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jock</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22349</link>
		<dc:creator>Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I can really say too much right now, but I am working with someone in Oxfordshire hatching just such a plan, using a Limited Liability Partnership structure to enable all participants in the business to be partners.  Bigger than a Credit Union but more flexible than say, a Building Society.  Something which could also play a central role in local complementary currencies and similar ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I can really say too much right now, but I am working with someone in Oxfordshire hatching just such a plan, using a Limited Liability Partnership structure to enable all participants in the business to be partners.  Bigger than a Credit Union but more flexible than say, a Building Society.  Something which could also play a central role in local complementary currencies and similar ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Rigg</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Rigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I use their smile internet arm and have nothing but praise for the customer service at that end. Haven&#039;t been to a branch in years, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I use their smile internet arm and have nothing but praise for the customer service at that end. Haven&#8217;t been to a branch in years, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Killingworth</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22342</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Killingworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and there&#039;s news that they are in talks with the Britannia Building Society about a merger. 

I&#039;ve heard mixed opinions about their customer service, though: I think they could do more to differentiate their product. They&#039;ll certainly never have a better opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and there&#8217;s news that they are in talks with the Britannia Building Society about a merger. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard mixed opinions about their customer service, though: I think they could do more to differentiate their product. They&#8217;ll certainly never have a better opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie Rigg</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/10/12/loveable-banking/#comment-22340</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie Rigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bank with the Co-op bank. I think they fit your bill, and they also do extra-lovable ethical investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bank with the Co-op bank. I think they fit your bill, and they also do extra-lovable ethical investment.</p>
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