Comments on: Gordon Brown speech: a fair Britain for the new age? http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Thu, 24 May 2012 10:54:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ukliberty http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21505 ukliberty Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:23:32 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21505 <blockquote><i>How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs?</i> Who? </blockquote> The 77% of the electorate who didn't back the winning party, perhaps?

How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs?

Who?

The 77% of the electorate who didn’t back the winning party, perhaps?

]]> By: ad http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21432 ad Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:07:27 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21432 <i>Totally meaningless word that means anything to anyone. Pointless.</i> Charlotte, that is why politicians who want to be re-elected keep using it. Totally meaningless word that means anything to anyone. Pointless.

Charlotte, that is why politicians who want to be re-elected keep using it.

]]> By: robin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21424 robin Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:12:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21424 I suppose<a href="http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/09/24/browns-speech-barely-moves-the-betting-markets/" rel="nofollow"> this</a> is fair comment on the speech. I suppose this is fair comment on the speech.

]]> By: Newmania http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21418 Newmania Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:51:04 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21418 His attendance and performance were below my expectations. I carried out reviews and disciplinary hearings, and then gave the person objectives. They failed. I terminated his employment. Your expectations ?!!!!! The mind boggles . Never fear, such an individual will be well qualified for the Public Sector where no-one is ever sacked . For teaching its positively a requirement .I shall take care to relay your comments to my clients who are for the most part builders scaffolders small business and the like and do not have the time or the inclination to jump through whatever infantile hoops this government set up to thwart business which they have successfully achieved . It has nothing to do with professionalism it is to do with employing another parasite of the state books in the guise of personnel . In my business it is usually outsourced wholesale to paper pushing specialists who just send the bill .Larger companies have their own in house idiot . This is why there has been little real job creation in ten years of growth. Labour have absolutely no understanding of this world a world that employs over 70% of the working population . Incidentally if you are going to pretend to know anything about it I shall ignore you. In twenty years of dealing with thousands of SME s I have never not once met a Labour voter and certainly not the sort of luxury issue poseur you are .I shall simply assume you are lying and if you are not then a walking dog does not have any general implications . Labour’s Constituency is Public Sector and few Guardian readers welfare collectors immigrants and those working in the subsidised North. It has disappeared elsewhere for the very good reason it has absolutely nothing to offer anyone who works for a living ( Especially if they are married Southern English white male and heterosexual ) In fact all; in all I m lucky to be allowed to live .Brown `s speech was from another planet . (Anyway I had better actually do some work ) His attendance and performance were below my expectations. I carried out reviews and disciplinary hearings, and then gave the person objectives. They failed. I terminated his employment.

Your expectations ?!!!!! The mind boggles . Never fear, such an individual will be well qualified for the Public Sector where no-one is ever sacked . For teaching its positively a requirement .I shall take care to relay your comments to my clients who are for the most part builders scaffolders small business and the like and do not have the time or the inclination to jump through whatever infantile hoops this government set up to thwart business which they have successfully achieved .
It has nothing to do with professionalism it is to do with employing another parasite of the state books in the guise of personnel . In my business it is usually outsourced wholesale to paper pushing specialists who just send the bill .Larger companies have their own in house idiot . This is why there has been little real job creation in ten years of growth. Labour have absolutely no understanding of this world a world that employs over 70% of the working population .

Incidentally if you are going to pretend to know anything about it I shall ignore you. In twenty years of dealing with thousands of SME s I have never not once met a Labour voter and certainly not the sort of luxury issue poseur you are .I shall simply assume you are lying and if you are not then a walking dog does not have any general implications .

Labour’s Constituency is Public Sector and few Guardian readers welfare collectors immigrants and those working in the subsidised North. It has disappeared elsewhere for the very good reason it has absolutely nothing to offer anyone who works for a living ( Especially if they are married Southern English white male and heterosexual ) In fact all; in all I m lucky to be allowed to live .Brown `s speech was from another planet .
(Anyway I had better actually do some work )

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21416 Aaron Heath Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:35:32 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21416 Okay, Newmania... understood. I have italicised your post, but "quotation marks" work just as well, if you are unsure of the HTML code. Okay, Newmania… understood.

I have italicised your post, but “quotation marks” work just as well, if you are unsure of the HTML code.

]]> By: Newmania http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21415 Newmania Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:25:04 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21415 I was quoting the article Aaron and asking the writer to explain who it was he felt was not represented. I abhor PR I was quoting the article Aaron and asking the writer to explain who it was he felt was not represented. I abhor PR

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21412 Aaron Heath Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:03:39 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21412 <em>How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs? ~ newmania</em> Don't tell me, it's Noo Labour's fault. Are you advocating PR? If so, welcome aboard. How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs? ~ newmania

Don’t tell me, it’s Noo Labour’s fault.

Are you advocating PR? If so, welcome aboard.

]]> By: Newmania http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21411 Newmania Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:00:34 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21411 <em>How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs?</em> Who? How fair are Britain’s undemocratic electoral mechanisms that leave perhaps millions of voters without adequate representation of their political beliefs?

Who?

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21410 Aaron Heath Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:59:06 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21410 <em>have you tried getting rid of anyone recently ? ~ newmania</em> Yeah. I sacked someone in May. His attendance and performance were below my expectations. I carried out reviews and disciplinary hearings, and then gave the person objectives. They failed. I terminated his employment. If he appeals I know I have nothing to worry about. It's all about being professional. have you tried getting rid of anyone recently ? ~ newmania

Yeah. I sacked someone in May.

His attendance and performance were below my expectations. I carried out reviews and disciplinary hearings, and then gave the person objectives. They failed. I terminated his employment.

If he appeals I know I have nothing to worry about.

It’s all about being professional.

]]> By: Newmania http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21409 Newmania Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:52:48 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21409 Our emplyment rights are so prescriptove no-one employs anyone any more god knows what country you live in , have you tried getting rid of anyone recently ?Anyway , this was clearly a swing left.The Brown speech was a retreat to safety. There was nothing about tax which is the electoral touchstone ( See Lib Dem bounce and the electrifying effect of IHT reform by Osbourne ). A few welfare baubles thrown out ,with National debt in the state it is in, looked like inappropriate clowning .The sub-text was yet more tax and borrowing .I am going on the reviews, but academies ,welfare to work , and other mini steps to modernity seem to have been shelved .This was Old Labour . Brown’s attention should have been on the tax payer woo-ed by Blair .In fact did nothing to allay fears that his accession would be their financial death warrant (. He may not be in a position to any more.) Public Sector union bosses smiled like hungry Lions,and wildebeest voters will spring in the opposite direction. It was a political ‘Princess and The Pea’ moment ...(bear with me )....The story of ‘The Princess and the Pea.”, is a version of Cinderella , a narrative endlessly re-worked from King Lear to Pride and Prejudice . It dramatizes a persistent human dream......“ If you knew who I really was then you would love me”. The heroine reveals her true self and is rewarded by love allowing the reader to indulge child like wishes suppressed in adulthood . Under stress there is a tendency to indulge vestigial infant. The Conservative Party did it by returning to their deepest prejudices when confronted with rejection. They said ...”No no ....this is me ...surely now you love me ... the real me “. No-one did . The Labour Party are doing the same. They cannot believe that they, the real Labour Party, are unpopular .It must be a matter of ‘presentation’. Brown was played to child-like denial and will shore up his position as IDS did, alienating everyone else along the way For Political Parties ,and for us all ,the lesson that it is we that must change not the world is a hard one . It is one the Labour Party are ,as yet, unable to face, and by this choice they have doomed themselves to defeat. Doomed Our emplyment rights are so prescriptove no-one employs anyone any more god knows what country you live in , have you tried getting rid of anyone recently ?Anyway , this was clearly a swing left.The Brown speech was a retreat to safety. There was nothing about tax which is the electoral touchstone ( See Lib Dem bounce and the electrifying effect of IHT reform by Osbourne ). A few welfare baubles thrown out ,with National debt in the state it is in, looked like inappropriate clowning .The sub-text was yet more tax and borrowing .I am going on the reviews, but academies ,welfare to work , and other mini steps to modernity seem to have been shelved .This was Old Labour .
Brown’s attention should have been on the tax payer woo-ed by Blair .In fact did nothing to allay fears that his accession would be their financial death warrant (. He may not be in a position to any more.) Public Sector union bosses smiled like hungry Lions,and wildebeest voters will spring in the opposite direction.
It was a political ‘Princess and The Pea’ moment …(bear with me )….The story of ‘The Princess and the Pea.”, is a version of Cinderella , a narrative endlessly re-worked from King Lear to Pride and Prejudice . It dramatizes a persistent human dream……“ If you knew who I really was then you would love me”. The heroine reveals her true self and is rewarded by love allowing the reader to indulge child like wishes suppressed in adulthood .
Under stress there is a tendency to indulge vestigial infant. The Conservative Party did it by returning to their deepest prejudices when confronted with rejection. They said …”No no ….this is me …surely now you love me … the real me “. No-one did . The Labour Party are doing the same. They cannot believe that they, the real Labour Party, are unpopular .It must be a matter of ‘presentation’. Brown was played to child-like denial and will shore up his position as IDS did, alienating everyone else along the way
For Political Parties ,and for us all ,the lesson that it is we that must change not the world is a hard one . It is one the Labour Party are ,as yet, unable to face, and by this choice they have doomed themselves to defeat.

Doomed

]]> By: redpesto http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21408 redpesto Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:39:19 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21408 Numbers crunched Britain - 20 British - 14 Blair - 0 Change - 17 Children - 15 Country - 29 Fair - 19 Fairness -22 Iraq - 1 New - 55 People - 56 Even allowing for context, there is a pattern. Numbers crunched

Britain – 20
British – 14
Blair – 0
Change – 17
Children – 15
Country – 29
Fair – 19
Fairness -22
Iraq – 1
New – 55
People – 56

Even allowing for context, there is a pattern.

]]> By: That speech - Chicken Yoghurt http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21407 That speech - Chicken Yoghurt Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:21:31 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21407 [...] could go on all day. Dave Osler has more. Brown vowed… And David Miliband, Douglas Alexander and I will do everything in our power to [...] [...] could go on all day. Dave Osler has more. Brown vowed… And David Miliband, Douglas Alexander and I will do everything in our power to [...]

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21406 Aaron Heath Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:37:42 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21406 Or fascist... Or fascist…

]]> By: cjcjc http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21405 cjcjc Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:36:58 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21405 "Fair" is like "progressive" - it means whatever you want it to mean. “Fair” is like “progressive” – it means whatever you want it to mean.

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21404 Aaron Heath Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:36:51 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21404 I saw some of the speech. It didn't impress me terribly. BTW. Did anyone shout "Dead man walking", when he took the stage? <em>Meow.</em> I saw some of the speech. It didn’t impress me terribly.

BTW. Did anyone shout “Dead man walking”, when he took the stage?

Meow.

]]> By: thomas http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21392 thomas Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:37:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21392 "‘Fair’ is relative." Ah yes, Charlotte. Just like one persons justice is anothers' repression. “‘Fair’ is relative.”

Ah yes, Charlotte. Just like one persons justice is anothers’ repression.

]]> By: Charlotte Gore http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21384 Charlotte Gore Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:32:50 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21384 'Fair' is relative. For some 'fair' means keeping the fruit of your labour. For others 'fair' means pooling the fruit of everyone's labour and sharing it equally. Totally meaningless word that means anything to anyone. Pointless. ‘Fair’ is relative.

For some ‘fair’ means keeping the fruit of your labour.
For others ‘fair’ means pooling the fruit of everyone’s labour and sharing it equally.

Totally meaningless word that means anything to anyone. Pointless.

]]> By: The façade of fairness « The Bleeding Heart Show http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/23/gordon-brown-speech-a-fair-britain-for-the-new-age/#comment-21383 The façade of fairness « The Bleeding Heart Show Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:29:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1318#comment-21383 [...] it was just a speech. As others have noted, anyone on the left who’d naively hoped Brown might add some red meat to the rhetoric [...] [...] it was just a speech. As others have noted, anyone on the left who’d naively hoped Brown might add some red meat to the rhetoric [...]

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