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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20947</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ad, I disagree. The less open to evidence your boss is, the more dangerous they are. If Palin is a demogogue, then theres no reason to have any staff  in the Pentagon at all - just give her a big red button, a map showing her where Washington is and arrows to point the direction where the bad guys are coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ad, I disagree. The less open to evidence your boss is, the more dangerous they are. If Palin is a demogogue, then theres no reason to have any staff  in the Pentagon at all &#8211; just give her a big red button, a map showing her where Washington is and arrows to point the direction where the bad guys are coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20920</link>
		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nope, if truth be told, the people who’re really having sleepless nights over the prospect of Palin finding herself only a single heartbeat from becoming Commander-in-Chief are Washington DC’s Foreign Policy Analysts.&lt;/i&gt;

I should think they would be pleased. The more ignorant your boss, the easier it is to lead her your way.

They are probably hoping that McCain keels over on inaugaration day, leaving the new President dependent on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nope, if truth be told, the people who’re really having sleepless nights over the prospect of Palin finding herself only a single heartbeat from becoming Commander-in-Chief are Washington DC’s Foreign Policy Analysts.</i></p>
<p>I should think they would be pleased. The more ignorant your boss, the easier it is to lead her your way.</p>
<p>They are probably hoping that McCain keels over on inaugaration day, leaving the new President dependent on them.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20900</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, that&#039;s just pessimism incarnate.

Remember, more people are independent and non voters than are registered as supporters of both the Dems and Reps combined - just because you don&#039;t see them and most commentators prefer not to take them into account underestimates the decisive impact these non-traditional groupings have.

The easy option of follow-thy-leader is pure laziness and it ignores the sheer diversity of views which exist among all sections of (any) society.

This Presidential election is hugely interesting for the simple fact that both main candidates fall outside the mainstream of their parties. 

It is absolutely clear from the result of the selection process that the two-party system which has consistently thrown up divisive candidates is failing the country as a whole and is progressively alienating voters and citzens generally.

This year we will see a resounding dismissal of the pessimistic view because for the first time in a generation the trend for lower turnout will be significantly reversed. Ultimately though this reversal will be short-lived if the old two-party property-owning consenus is reestablished and an effective form of representative participation is squashed at birth.

The old forms of polarised politics is failing to produce good answers which satisfy the diverse needs of such a diverse country and the two-party state is on the verge of collapse - pluralism is the only way forward.

I&#039;ll leave it open to discussion as to where the cracks will be produced and a third force (if any) will emerge. It could be that any of the Greens, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Conservatives, Commonwealths, Liberals, Confederates, religionists or regionalists (such as the Alaskan secessionists) will coalesce into an effective fighting force. But I won&#039;t hold onto my hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, that&#8217;s just pessimism incarnate.</p>
<p>Remember, more people are independent and non voters than are registered as supporters of both the Dems and Reps combined &#8211; just because you don&#8217;t see them and most commentators prefer not to take them into account underestimates the decisive impact these non-traditional groupings have.</p>
<p>The easy option of follow-thy-leader is pure laziness and it ignores the sheer diversity of views which exist among all sections of (any) society.</p>
<p>This Presidential election is hugely interesting for the simple fact that both main candidates fall outside the mainstream of their parties. </p>
<p>It is absolutely clear from the result of the selection process that the two-party system which has consistently thrown up divisive candidates is failing the country as a whole and is progressively alienating voters and citzens generally.</p>
<p>This year we will see a resounding dismissal of the pessimistic view because for the first time in a generation the trend for lower turnout will be significantly reversed. Ultimately though this reversal will be short-lived if the old two-party property-owning consenus is reestablished and an effective form of representative participation is squashed at birth.</p>
<p>The old forms of polarised politics is failing to produce good answers which satisfy the diverse needs of such a diverse country and the two-party state is on the verge of collapse &#8211; pluralism is the only way forward.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it open to discussion as to where the cracks will be produced and a third force (if any) will emerge. It could be that any of the Greens, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, Conservatives, Commonwealths, Liberals, Confederates, religionists or regionalists (such as the Alaskan secessionists) will coalesce into an effective fighting force. But I won&#8217;t hold onto my hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Killingworth</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20899</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Killingworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[6] Quite. American conservatives rarely visit Europe (it&#039;s against their religion, as it were) and we have almost less than no appreciation of their world-view. There are however more of them than there are American liberals, a species which only exists in the coastal states (and around the Great Lakes). There are whole swathes of the country where the editor of the local rag would never print a pro-choice, let alone pro-gay letter, because of the commercial boycott that would ensue. It is impossible to underestimate the hatred small-town America feels for liberalism and secularism. Remember that Bush, after 9/11, had to tell his base it &lt;i&gt;wasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; God&#039;s judgment on New York - that was their immediate reaction.

I fear Barack Obama has as much chance of becoming President as you or I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[6] Quite. American conservatives rarely visit Europe (it&#8217;s against their religion, as it were) and we have almost less than no appreciation of their world-view. There are however more of them than there are American liberals, a species which only exists in the coastal states (and around the Great Lakes). There are whole swathes of the country where the editor of the local rag would never print a pro-choice, let alone pro-gay letter, because of the commercial boycott that would ensue. It is impossible to underestimate the hatred small-town America feels for liberalism and secularism. Remember that Bush, after 9/11, had to tell his base it <i>wasn&#8217;t</i> God&#8217;s judgment on New York &#8211; that was their immediate reaction.</p>
<p>I fear Barack Obama has as much chance of becoming President as you or I have.</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a few days ago a TV report where a journalist had gone alone up towards the Pakistan North West Frontier and come back with a host of evidence that the far corner has become an Arab enclave where the Pakistan govt does not rule. That is the area that the USA is pointing at and is indeed venturing into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a few days ago a TV report where a journalist had gone alone up towards the Pakistan North West Frontier and come back with a host of evidence that the far corner has become an Arab enclave where the Pakistan govt does not rule. That is the area that the USA is pointing at and is indeed venturing into.</p>
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		<title>By: Shamit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-We have a tight comments policy aimed at fostering constructive debate.-

How can you have a constructive debate with a post like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-We have a tight comments policy aimed at fostering constructive debate.-</p>
<p>How can you have a constructive debate with a post like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Gilmour</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20893</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Gilmour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to point this out, but my (to-be-ex) in-laws in the US will love her, and not give a toss about *any* interview performances, foreign policy stupidities, etc.

And they&#039;re a lot closer to being &quot;average&quot; US voters than &quot;Washington DC’s Foreign Policy Analysts.&quot;

Scary...but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to point this out, but my (to-be-ex) in-laws in the US will love her, and not give a toss about *any* interview performances, foreign policy stupidities, etc.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re a lot closer to being &#8220;average&#8221; US voters than &#8220;Washington DC’s Foreign Policy Analysts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Scary&#8230;but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve B</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20890</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s absolutely terrifying. Add this to dominionist leanings and the usual abstinence-only ed package, and she couldn&#039;t look a lot worse to most of the US (and the World). Of course, a large percentage of Americans voted for Bush *twice*, so being Republican and &quot;strong&quot; might just be enough for her to do it. Good grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s absolutely terrifying. Add this to dominionist leanings and the usual abstinence-only ed package, and she couldn&#8217;t look a lot worse to most of the US (and the World). Of course, a large percentage of Americans voted for Bush *twice*, so being Republican and &#8220;strong&#8221; might just be enough for her to do it. Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: The New Face For An Old Gang&#8230; &#171; Back Towards The Locus</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20887</link>
		<dc:creator>The New Face For An Old Gang&#8230; &#171; Back Towards The Locus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may have been valid if Palin had only obfuscated a little, but the heights of her incomprehension were awesome to behold: Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] may have been valid if Palin had only obfuscated a little, but the heights of her incomprehension were awesome to behold: Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charlieman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20882</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This part of the interview is straight from Eliza:

Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?
Palin: In what respect, Charlie?
Charlie: What do you interpret it to be?
Palin: His worldview?

From Wikipedia, I&#039;m afraid: ELIZA is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum, designed in 1966, which parodied a Rogerian therapist, largely by rephrasing many of the patient&#039;s statements as questions and posing them to the patient. Thus, for example, the response to &quot;My head hurts&quot; might be &quot;Why do you say your head hurts?&quot; The response to &quot;My mother hates me&quot; might be &quot;Who else in your family hates you?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This part of the interview is straight from Eliza:</p>
<p>Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?<br />
Palin: In what respect, Charlie?<br />
Charlie: What do you interpret it to be?<br />
Palin: His worldview?</p>
<p>From Wikipedia, I&#8217;m afraid: ELIZA is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum, designed in 1966, which parodied a Rogerian therapist, largely by rephrasing many of the patient&#8217;s statements as questions and posing them to the patient. Thus, for example, the response to &#8220;My head hurts&#8221; might be &#8220;Why do you say your head hurts?&#8221; The response to &#8220;My mother hates me&#8221; might be &#8220;Who else in your family hates you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BenSix</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20879</link>
		<dc:creator>BenSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind a lack of foreign policy experience, she doesn&#039;t even know the foreign policy of her own &lt;i&gt;nation&lt;/i&gt;. A nation that she may &lt;i&gt;lead&lt;/i&gt;.

Still, Biden has a dreadful record as well.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind a lack of foreign policy experience, she doesn&#8217;t even know the foreign policy of her own <i>nation</i>. A nation that she may <i>lead</i>.</p>
<p>Still, Biden has a dreadful record as well.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Woobegone</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/12/bad-times-at-foggy-bottom/#comment-20878</link>
		<dc:creator>Woobegone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama picked a V.P. who complements him perfectly - an older, more experienced, more &quot;establishment&quot; voice.

McCain did too. The problem is that McCain built his reputation on being an intelligent, free-thinking maverick Republican who opposed the Christian Right. hence our problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama picked a V.P. who complements him perfectly &#8211; an older, more experienced, more &#8220;establishment&#8221; voice.</p>
<p>McCain did too. The problem is that McCain built his reputation on being an intelligent, free-thinking maverick Republican who opposed the Christian Right. hence our problem.</p>
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