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		<title>By: Charlieman</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/09/04/saving-for-a-rainy-da/#comment-20425</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlieman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we set aside any thoughts of privatising state-owned industries by means of turning them into worker’s cooperatives, which is whole debate in itself&quot;

Agreed, we don&#039;t have the time to go there... However, Unity missed out the disassembly of non-state, non corporate capital. Rationalisation of local building societies was common in the 1970s, leading to familiar bodies like Alliance and Leicester, Nationwide, Halifax, Bradford and Bingley, which swallowed up smaller societies. Those societies were big, possibly too big, but they were owned by their members.

Following the first privatisations of state owned utilities, many (most?) building societies corporatised. According to the PR, this was in order for them to &quot;compete&quot;. Of the four that I mentioned, one, the Nationwide, is still owned by its members. And it works damned well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we set aside any thoughts of privatising state-owned industries by means of turning them into worker’s cooperatives, which is whole debate in itself&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed, we don&#8217;t have the time to go there&#8230; However, Unity missed out the disassembly of non-state, non corporate capital. Rationalisation of local building societies was common in the 1970s, leading to familiar bodies like Alliance and Leicester, Nationwide, Halifax, Bradford and Bingley, which swallowed up smaller societies. Those societies were big, possibly too big, but they were owned by their members.</p>
<p>Following the first privatisations of state owned utilities, many (most?) building societies corporatised. According to the PR, this was in order for them to &#8220;compete&#8221;. Of the four that I mentioned, one, the Nationwide, is still owned by its members. And it works damned well.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides all the interesting stuff in this post, the mere fact that you don&#039;t attribute intrinsic malice towards the Thatcher government ensure it is high above the general level of political debate.

Of course, I am of the opinion that it is impossible for a government (and most definitely a central government of a large state) to ensure &quot;the hay and a barn&quot; that the 1945 Attlee government promised. Many parts of Europe have come close, though whether that is sustainable is in doubt, but they have done so by using far less ideologically driven mechanisms like social insurance (that retain some of the price signals that allow healthcare to be rationed vaguely intelligently rather than centrally). Perhaps those sort of reforms could have been the direction of a &quot;long term&quot; Thatcher government but by the time she got in, it was already too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides all the interesting stuff in this post, the mere fact that you don&#8217;t attribute intrinsic malice towards the Thatcher government ensure it is high above the general level of political debate.</p>
<p>Of course, I am of the opinion that it is impossible for a government (and most definitely a central government of a large state) to ensure &#8220;the hay and a barn&#8221; that the 1945 Attlee government promised. Many parts of Europe have come close, though whether that is sustainable is in doubt, but they have done so by using far less ideologically driven mechanisms like social insurance (that retain some of the price signals that allow healthcare to be rationed vaguely intelligently rather than centrally). Perhaps those sort of reforms could have been the direction of a &#8220;long term&#8221; Thatcher government but by the time she got in, it was already too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Could Thatcher have done anything else? Seems a strange question to ask unless you believe in economic determinism.

Of course, all this revisionism is filtered through the prism of First past the Post, which enables minority govt.s to push through generally unpopuar policies - so to argue that Thatcher&#039;s agenda was driven by electoral imperatives rather begs the question - would a centre-left alliance under PR have taken the same aggressive stance? Maybe it could have played the long game?

Your figures are interesting.The ones I have suggest total spending on social protection at c.£170bn (2008) and income tax receipts (with an additional £105bn in N.I. around the same figure (2008), so it would seem social protection for older people takes around half the income tax take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Could Thatcher have done anything else? Seems a strange question to ask unless you believe in economic determinism.</p>
<p>Of course, all this revisionism is filtered through the prism of First past the Post, which enables minority govt.s to push through generally unpopuar policies &#8211; so to argue that Thatcher&#8217;s agenda was driven by electoral imperatives rather begs the question &#8211; would a centre-left alliance under PR have taken the same aggressive stance? Maybe it could have played the long game?</p>
<p>Your figures are interesting.The ones I have suggest total spending on social protection at c.£170bn (2008) and income tax receipts (with an additional £105bn in N.I. around the same figure (2008), so it would seem social protection for older people takes around half the income tax take?</p>
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