Comments on: About that male ‘enlargement’ surgery… http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Thu, 24 May 2012 03:27:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: male enlargement http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-35075 male enlargement Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:14:56 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-35075 There is nothing you can do if somebody want to fell in the pit. There is nothing you can do if somebody want to fell in the pit.

]]> By: Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division) http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19735 Mystery Dyke Squadron (Bombing Division) Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:39:56 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19735 MDS approves of this article most whole heartedly. Freedom from the confines of feared inadequacies for all humanity! MDS approves of this article most whole heartedly. Freedom from the confines of feared inadequacies for all humanity!

]]> By: Xylokarabes http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19720 Xylokarabes Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:47:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19720 Of course Roger is real. It's just that his real name is, in fact, Melanie. Of course Roger is real. It’s just that his real name is, in fact, Melanie.

]]> By: Laurie Penny http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19645 Laurie Penny Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:48:58 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19645 'You will see this once Bercow’s satanic plans are implemented. Only a number of right-wingers (of which I am a one) understand the subtleties of human existence. Everybody else must catch up.' Roger, are you for real? ‘You will see this once Bercow’s satanic plans are implemented. Only a number of right-wingers (of which I am a one) understand the subtleties of human existence. Everybody else must catch up.’

Roger, are you for real?

]]> By: Woobegone http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19636 Woobegone Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:16:27 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19636 "a failure of modern British society and culture..." Not very patriotic are you? Call yourself right wing? To France with you... “a failure of modern British society and culture…”

Not very patriotic are you? Call yourself right wing? To France with you…

]]> By: Roger http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19628 Roger Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:21:43 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19628 "We’re doing much better than we were, undoubtedly, but we’re still falling far behind the rest of Europe - and that’s a fairly good predictor for, ooh, high rates of teenage pregnancy and STIs….." What you left-wingers don't understand is that it isn't so much a failure of British sex education as a failure of modern British society and culture. Adopting european style sex-ed programmes won't make make the slightest differece to our rates of teenaged pregnancy and STIs. You will see this once Bercow's satanic plans are implemented. Only a number of right-wingers (of which I am a one) understand the subtleties of human existence. Everybody else must catch up. “We’re doing much better than we were, undoubtedly, but we’re still falling far behind the rest of Europe – and that’s a fairly good predictor for, ooh, high rates of teenage pregnancy and STIs…..”

What you left-wingers don’t understand is that it isn’t so much a failure of British sex education as a failure of modern British society and culture. Adopting european style sex-ed programmes won’t make make the slightest differece to our rates of teenaged pregnancy and STIs. You will see this once Bercow’s satanic plans are implemented. Only a number of right-wingers (of which I am a one) understand the subtleties of human existence. Everybody else must catch up.

]]> By: The Male Sexual Organ at The ThunderDragon http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19482 The Male Sexual Organ at The ThunderDragon Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:27:49 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19482 [...] post at Liberal Conspiracy about the cock is required [...] [...] post at Liberal Conspiracy about the cock is required [...]

]]> By: Laurie Penny http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19379 Laurie Penny Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:50:39 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19379 also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/aug/26/sexeducation.primaryschools also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/aug/26/sexeducation.primaryschools

]]> By: Laurie Penny http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19363 Laurie Penny Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:29 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19363 'The problem with Laurie’s suggestion is that (at least at my school) it’s pretty much what already happens. Certainly compared to 20 years ago sex-ed in this country is most enlightened.' Woobegone - I'd really like to see your school curriculum. It's great that some people are doing it. The problem is that it's very much a question of what teacher you get - we're doing much better than we were, undoubtedly, but we're still falling far behind the rest of Europe - and that's a fairly good predictor for, ooh, high rates of teenage pregnancy and STIs..... ‘The problem with Laurie’s suggestion is that (at least at my school) it’s pretty much what already happens. Certainly compared to 20 years ago sex-ed in this country is most enlightened.’

Woobegone – I’d really like to see your school curriculum. It’s great that some people are doing it. The problem is that it’s very much a question of what teacher you get – we’re doing much better than we were, undoubtedly, but we’re still falling far behind the rest of Europe – and that’s a fairly good predictor for, ooh, high rates of teenage pregnancy and STIs…..

]]> By: thomas http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19349 thomas Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:23:15 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19349 Most of this made me wince, but this made me laugh: "So where is the equivalent efforts to tear down the damaging fictions that young men internalise about their gender and physical sex?" Surely the difference between socialised masculine and feminine gender roles is a reflection on how male genitalia is percieved as external while female genitalia is percieved as internal, when the truth is that because this is only mainly so and as a result socialised gender roles fail to correspond accurately with the individual. Perhaps Laurie would like to advocate for the naturist movement? Most of this made me wince, but this made me laugh:

“So where is the equivalent efforts to tear down the damaging fictions that young men internalise about their gender and physical sex?”

Surely the difference between socialised masculine and feminine gender roles is a reflection on how male genitalia is percieved as external while female genitalia is percieved as internal, when the truth is that because this is only mainly so and as a result socialised gender roles fail to correspond accurately with the individual.

Perhaps Laurie would like to advocate for the naturist movement?

]]> By: BenSix http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19337 BenSix Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:16:29 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19337 "Because of course Marx was well known for his views on the proper content of PHSE lessons. Can’t you think of a better insult than “Marxist”?" It's true. One week we were discussing tactics for avoiding muggers and the next we were considering commodity fetishism with reference to Das Kapital. Ben “Because of course Marx was well known for his views on the proper content of PHSE lessons. Can’t you think of a better insult than “Marxist”?”

It’s true. One week we were discussing tactics for avoiding muggers and the next we were considering commodity fetishism with reference to Das Kapital.

Ben

]]> By: Nick http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19336 Nick Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:11:29 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19336 "Can’t you think of a better insult than “Marxist”?" True. Gramscian would be more accurate:) “Can’t you think of a better insult than “Marxist”?”

True. Gramscian would be more accurate:)

]]> By: Woobegone http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19332 Woobegone Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:12:01 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19332 Because of course Marx was well known for his views on the proper content of PHSE lessons. Can't you think of a better insult than "Marxist"? The problem with Laurie's suggestion is that (at least at my school) it's pretty much what already happens. Certainly compared to 20 years ago sex-ed in this country is most enlightened. Because of course Marx was well known for his views on the proper content of PHSE lessons. Can’t you think of a better insult than “Marxist”?

The problem with Laurie’s suggestion is that (at least at my school) it’s pretty much what already happens. Certainly compared to 20 years ago sex-ed in this country is most enlightened.

]]> By: Roger http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19329 Roger Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:21:50 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19329 "During these ideal lessons there would be open discussion of gender roles, physical sex, sexuality, feminism and gender egalitarianism." You should get in touch with John Bercow. He'd love to hear all about your disgusting Marxist plans for children. (I've actually got his number if you're interested) Maybe you're advising him already, It wouldn't surprise me. “During these ideal lessons there would be open discussion of gender roles, physical sex, sexuality, feminism and gender egalitarianism.”

You should get in touch with John Bercow. He’d love to hear all about your disgusting Marxist plans for children. (I’ve actually got his number if you’re interested) Maybe you’re advising him already, It wouldn’t surprise me.

]]> By: Stronger Harder http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19323 Stronger Harder Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:11 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19323 What a load of bollocks. What a load of bollocks.

]]> By: Woobegone http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19320 Woobegone Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:45:10 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19320 I think we can assume that genital self-mutilation is very rare, given that if you do a search for it on PubMed, you'll find reports of single cases, which suggests that it's pretty unusual since doctors feel that every case warrants a writing-up. Most of the people who do it are pretty seriously disturbed - speed freaks, schizophrenics, one guy with a rare brain disease. This is not "self-harm" in the conventional troubled-teenager sense. This is what a few people do when they're crazy. In terms of PHSE lessons, I don't remember mine very well, but I'm fairly sure they involved photos. They certainly involved a discussion of penis size along with plenty of reassurance for people worried about their endowment... I'm not sure what more you could ask for from sex-ed. Also it's worth bearing in mind that an obsession with penis size is nothing new and nothing specific to our culture. In many parts of the world there are periodic outbreaks of panic among men worried that their bits are shrinking : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic I think we can assume that genital self-mutilation is very rare, given that if you do a search for it on PubMed, you’ll find reports of single cases, which suggests that it’s pretty unusual since doctors feel that every case warrants a writing-up. Most of the people who do it are pretty seriously disturbed – speed freaks, schizophrenics, one guy with a rare brain disease. This is not “self-harm” in the conventional troubled-teenager sense. This is what a few people do when they’re crazy.

In terms of PHSE lessons, I don’t remember mine very well, but I’m fairly sure they involved photos. They certainly involved a discussion of penis size along with plenty of reassurance for people worried about their endowment… I’m not sure what more you could ask for from sex-ed.

Also it’s worth bearing in mind that an obsession with penis size is nothing new and nothing specific to our culture. In many parts of the world there are periodic outbreaks of panic among men worried that their bits are shrinking :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_panic

]]> By: Nick http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/08/27/about-that-male-enlargement-surgery/#comment-19318 Nick Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:49:52 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1166#comment-19318 I think you have a point, though I am not sure how widespread this self-mutilation actually is. Your policy prescription is mistaken as the state (which embodies coercion and force as its very essence ) is an institution least qualified to educate children about their sexuality - yes, even less qualified than parents! I think you have a point, though I am not sure how widespread this self-mutilation actually is. Your policy prescription is mistaken as the state (which embodies coercion and force as its very essence ) is an institution least qualified to educate children about their sexuality – yes, even less qualified than parents!

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