Comments on: Andy Burnham’s concern is only for the rich http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Thu, 24 May 2012 03:27:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Robert Sharp » Blog Archive » Regulating the Wild West http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17884 Robert Sharp » Blog Archive » Regulating the Wild West Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:25:44 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17884 [...] Unity took Burnham to task at greater length, for misrepresenting John Perry Barlow’s ‘A Declaration of the [...] [...] Unity took Burnham to task at greater length, for misrepresenting John Perry Barlow’s ‘A Declaration of the [...]

]]> By: douglas clark http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17695 douglas clark Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:07:38 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17695 Unity - that Andy Barlow guy ought to be read by every Liberal Conspirator. I would almost describe it as a necessary 'Declaration of Independence'. An independence of the mind. It only makes sense when cyberspace ideas overtake our more commonplace meatspace ideas. And the means of connection, you to me, me to you, become the norm of debate. Direct and immediate. I'd assume that, to the extent it is embraced, the internet, and specifically forums such as this, can make, sorry, are making, a significant difference to the way we see each other. And I think I see new groupings developing. The point about human consciousness is that it can see an event in it's future and ignore it's more conservative members and adapt. The internet makes some of us at least more capable of that adaptation. Direct relationships tend to aid that, I think. Thanks for that. Unity – that Andy Barlow guy ought to be read by every Liberal Conspirator. I would almost describe it as a necessary ‘Declaration of Independence’. An independence of the mind.

It only makes sense when cyberspace ideas overtake our more commonplace meatspace ideas. And the means of connection, you to me, me to you, become the norm of debate. Direct and immediate.

I’d assume that, to the extent it is embraced, the internet, and specifically forums such as this, can make, sorry, are making, a significant difference to the way we see each other.

And I think I see new groupings developing.

The point about human consciousness is that it can see an event in it’s future and ignore it’s more conservative members and adapt. The internet makes some of us at least more capable of that adaptation. Direct relationships tend to aid that, I think.

Thanks for that.

]]> By: Amrit http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17684 Amrit Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:12:54 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17684 Unity, you are the Minister of Truth *applauds*. If Andy Burnham continues to try and go on the offensive against illegal downloaders, maybe we can submit this article to him along with a petition... I agree with every sentence of this. I am more or less going to reiterate what you said in saying that 'new' Labour were always bound to have a problem with illegal downloading, because they are (as we all know) fans of the authoritarian and rightwing 'powerful elite' (last favoured by, er, the Tories), and illegal downloading is an incredibly... Socialist process, where everybody involved is giving whilst taking, and everyone shares with everyone else. Vive les téléchargeurs illégaux! :-D Unity, you are the Minister of Truth *applauds*.

If Andy Burnham continues to try and go on the offensive against illegal downloaders, maybe we can submit this article to him along with a petition…

I agree with every sentence of this. I am more or less going to reiterate what you said in saying that ‘new’ Labour were always bound to have a problem with illegal downloading, because they are (as we all know) fans of the authoritarian and rightwing ‘powerful elite’ (last favoured by, er, the Tories), and illegal downloading is an incredibly… Socialist process, where everybody involved is giving whilst taking, and everyone shares with everyone else.

Vive les téléchargeurs illégaux! :-D

]]> By: redpesto http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17678 redpesto Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:31:51 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17678 Burnham seems conflate - deliberately - the issues of illegal downloading and access to kiddie porn/violent video games. There also the problem of what he'll do if the young people he's courting turn round and say 'you're wrong, mate'. As for the music industry, if they keep confusing peer-to-peer sharing (i.e. 21st century home taping) with piracy, no wonder they don't get the internet. Burnham seems conflate – deliberately – the issues of illegal downloading and access to kiddie porn/violent video games. There also the problem of what he’ll do if the young people he’s courting turn round and say ‘you’re wrong, mate’. As for the music industry, if they keep confusing peer-to-peer sharing (i.e. 21st century home taping) with piracy, no wonder they don’t get the internet.

]]> By: Synergy6 http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17663 Synergy6 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:55:33 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17663 I agree with the article, but I'm more optimistic than Nick about the future. There are no copy-protection systems, DRMs etc. that I know of in the mass-market world that haven't been broken. DVDs, Blu-Ray, HDDVD, PlaysForSure etc. were "opened" quickly, sometimes within days of release. Video game publishers spend millions on the latest systems (Securom, Safedisc, Laserlock etc.) which are broken even before the product hits the shelves. In fact, with technologies like online-only verification and HDCP, we are swiftly entering, if we haven't already, a world where "illegal" versions are entirely more useful than their paid-for counterparts. I find this interesting when compared to the government's current anti-piracy strategy. The main two TV adverts are 'Wall-E'-themed and 'Nigel'. 'Wall-E' tries to point out that illegal movie copies are always horrible quality. This is rather self-defeating, as in 2008 most people know you can illegal download the movie in *exactly* the same quality as the original. 'Nigel', on the other hand, makes sweeping comments about the personal habits of illegal downloaders, which is comical but, I'm quite sure, will prove entirely ineffective. One day a UK government will wake up and smell the coffee, but I'm quite sure it won't be this one. I agree with the article, but I’m more optimistic than Nick about the future. There are no copy-protection systems, DRMs etc. that I know of in the mass-market world that haven’t been broken. DVDs, Blu-Ray, HDDVD, PlaysForSure etc. were “opened” quickly, sometimes within days of release. Video game publishers spend millions on the latest systems (Securom, Safedisc, Laserlock etc.) which are broken even before the product hits the shelves. In fact, with technologies like online-only verification and HDCP, we are swiftly entering, if we haven’t already, a world where “illegal” versions are entirely more useful than their paid-for counterparts.

I find this interesting when compared to the government’s current anti-piracy strategy. The main two TV adverts are ‘Wall-E’-themed and ‘Nigel’. ‘Wall-E’ tries to point out that illegal movie copies are always horrible quality. This is rather self-defeating, as in 2008 most people know you can illegal download the movie in *exactly* the same quality as the original. ‘Nigel’, on the other hand, makes sweeping comments about the personal habits of illegal downloaders, which is comical but, I’m quite sure, will prove entirely ineffective. One day a UK government will wake up and smell the coffee, but I’m quite sure it won’t be this one.

]]> By: Daniel http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17660 Daniel Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:47:46 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17660 Excellent post. There are dark moves of the horizon, what with Burnham's direction of travel and the potential fallout from the EU Commuications Bill - licensing software to be used on the internet - amongst other atrocious ideas. Larry Lessig does excellent work in this area, this is a talk he gave at <a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity.html" rel="nofollow">TED</a> last year about how copyright is actually strangling creativity. Well worth 20 minutes of someone's time. Excellent post. There are dark moves of the horizon, what with Burnham’s direction of travel and the potential fallout from the EU Commuications Bill – licensing software to be used on the internet – amongst other atrocious ideas.

Larry Lessig does excellent work in this area, this is a talk he gave at TED last year about how copyright is actually strangling creativity. Well worth 20 minutes of someone’s time.

]]> By: Nick http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/07/28/mailtoandy-burnham-tombstone-com/#comment-17657 Nick Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:20:26 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/?p=1041#comment-17657 Unity - I agree with just about everything you have written. But I am more pessimistic about the future: I fear the proihibitionists may be starting to catch up with the technology. But I would love to be wrong. Unity – I agree with just about everything you have written. But I am more pessimistic about the future: I fear the proihibitionists may be starting to catch up with the technology. But I would love to be wrong.

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