Comments on: This Week’s Think Tank Roundup… http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/ creating a new liberal-left force Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:04:34 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13824 Lee Griffin Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:25:05 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13824 As far as I'm aware no-one has actually challenged the detention period through ECHR, but I am well aware I could be wrong. As far as I’m aware no-one has actually challenged the detention period through ECHR, but I am well aware I could be wrong.

]]> By: Liam Murray http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13812 Liam Murray Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:49:58 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13812 Thanks Aaron. Niether Tories nor Labour have a blemish-free record when it comes to the protection or advance of liberties. Arguably the tradition more closely associated with limiting the power of the state is the right but that tradition is sullied because social conservatives were happy to tell people who they could & couldn't shag etc. undermining notions of liberty. It's reasonable enough to imagine a more liberal Tory party (like the one we have now) doing more for personal liberty than a Labour party with authoritarian instincts. There's a bit of the 'only Nixon can go to China' going on here as well.... Thanks Aaron. Niether Tories nor Labour have a blemish-free record when it comes to the protection or advance of liberties.

Arguably the tradition more closely associated with limiting the power of the state is the right but that tradition is sullied because social conservatives were happy to tell people who they could & couldn’t shag etc. undermining notions of liberty. It’s reasonable enough to imagine a more liberal Tory party (like the one we have now) doing more for personal liberty than a Labour party with authoritarian instincts. There’s a bit of the ‘only Nixon can go to China’ going on here as well….

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13803 Aaron Heath Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:30:51 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13803 Yeah the ECHR Errrr, isn't the ECHR supposed to protect you from excessive actions by the state? Ok, it seems to have been poorly interpreted by British courts at times, but it remains an important protection. Surely there is some clause in the ECHR that can would limit excessive detention without charge... Say to 14-days? :o) I know, it would be been used by now. Yeah the ECHR

Errrr, isn’t the ECHR supposed to protect you from excessive actions by the state?

Ok, it seems to have been poorly interpreted by British courts at times, but it remains an important protection. Surely there is some clause in the ECHR that can would limit excessive detention without charge… Say to 14-days? :o ) I know, it would be been used by now.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13798 Lee Griffin Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:26:33 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13798 Well the Tory argument is (if I remember rightly) that they believe the ECHR covers everything that needs covering and that for some reason the HRA simply provides more human rights for British criminals. I don't understand the argument, but it's not one that says human rights are pointless or unnecessary. Well the Tory argument is (if I remember rightly) that they believe the ECHR covers everything that needs covering and that for some reason the HRA simply provides more human rights for British criminals. I don’t understand the argument, but it’s not one that says human rights are pointless or unnecessary.

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13793 Aaron Heath Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:20:21 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/06/21/this-weeks-think-tank-roundup-2/#comment-13793 As always, a great round-up. Thanks Liam. <em>"...A written constitution could entrench our historic liberties and take them above the fray of party politics. Although it runs counter to the traditional line of conservative thinking, it is a possibility that must not be dismissed out of instinctive unease, but must be taken seriously as a modern means to protect an ancient heritage” ~ Centre for Policy Studies daily blog </em> This is what pisses me off. So the Tories will be the ones who enshrine our liberties, while all the time taking shots at the Human Rights Act? Do they care about inherent human rights, or not? As always, a great round-up.

Thanks Liam.

“…A written constitution could entrench our historic liberties and take them above the fray of party politics. Although it runs counter to the traditional line of conservative thinking, it is a possibility that must not be dismissed out of instinctive unease, but must be taken seriously as a modern means to protect an ancient heritage” ~ Centre for Policy Studies daily blog

This is what pisses me off. So the Tories will be the ones who enshrine our liberties, while all the time taking shots at the Human Rights Act?

Do they care about inherent human rights, or not?

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