Fair enough – perhaps the policies were all “extraordinary renditioned” ;-?

Oh, absolutely.

As for the coalition thing, well, we’ll never know for sure. But there were a hell of a lot of Lib Dem policies in that first manifesto that magically disappeared for the next two. Including the idea of looking into PR.

I think that that puts too much weight on the value of a coalition, but I’m not getting into a fist fight about it…

I think it’s Blair and all the people formed under his tutelage, or who have turned their coats in order to curry favour. I suggest (regardless of whether that is what the polls say) that this whole spectrum of legislation it is the defining question for the tone of our country, because the impact is on the basic political process rather than just policy.

Ministers in the Govt take joint responsibility in my view.

One reason I’m not particularly respectful of Lord Falconers change of mind on 42 days is that he only rediscovered his principles when it was no longer going to cost him anything.

The problem being, a lot of the stuff they promised, they promised because they thought they were going to have to go into coalition with the Lib Dems. When they won the landslide and shafted Paddy Pantsdown, they had to stick to a FEW Liberal and fair manifesto commitments, but their true colours started showing through.

I think the moralistic authoritarian bollocks is ALL Blair, and Brown is just aping him because he’s been promoted beyond his capabilities and thinks that “if it worked for Tony, it;s got to work for ME, surely?”

Jennie: Yes Labour definitely changed to get in to power 10 years or so ago, but lets not be harsh. For all of the main reasons Blair is hated the Labour party *have* done a lot to push worker rights, minimum wage, etc. I know Aaron doesn’t agree but I do feel they are positive socialist examples of the old Labour shining through. *everything* that has been bad through the Labour years under Blair, aside from 90 days (when Blair had gone insane) and the war (when Blair had been stupid) has had Browns hand in it.

I don’t deny of course things were changing for the worse…but it is yesterday that once and for all that old Labour died. It really is time for it to split away from the carcass that is New Labour and take all of its financial support with it.

iLabour? Could you explain.

Independent?

I can certainly demand that they try to be.

Nah, mate, that was approaching ten years ago, if not more

* has doughnuts as well as cookies *

http://armchairnews.co.uk/2008/06/12/fallout-from-42-day-detention-vote/

In all honesty I think that the best thing that could happen right now is for a vast swathe of the MPs under Labour to set up a new party (lets call it iLabour for comedy effect). iLabour would be the more traditional Labour, it would get the money from the trade unions, it will retain a whole load of its expertise and values with only the loss of quite a few bad eggs.

Meanwhile New Labour will sufficate without the funding it needs and die as it is necessary to. iLabour’s existence will mean also that there is no point to argue between voting New Labour or Tory as they are both the same. iLabour would also have to accept that some policies of the Blair regime, in fact a whole load of them, were good and thus realise it can’t just slide carelessly back to the hard left.

But of course this won’t happen, despite how easy in relative terms it would be to do and remove the gammy leg from their party, one can wish though.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpid=1608&dmp=826

The government has exacerbated fears of terrorism with deliberation. Who remembers, for example, the ‘ricin factory’, which, the declarations warned, would endanger “hundreds of thousands of people” but was eventually revealed to be little more than a bedsit. From such panic springs prolonged anxiety.

The state is no longer a nanny. It is a patriarch.

I assume you will get behind him? Or is this too much of a partisan site?

Dude. That’s pretty lame.

Some of the members are very partisan, others not at all. I don’t see the problem either way. Try ConHome if you want partisanship. We’re who we are. Love us or loathe us.

We may – individually or collectively – support Davis’ campaign, but don’t expect us to do it with much gusto. After all, he’s still a horrid little Tory…

PS Presumably David needs to obtain permission fromthe Chancellor to get the Chiltern Hundreds and thus resign from the Commons – any likelihood of Darling refusing this?

*To clarify, I don’t think a single-issue police is a suitable cause for resigning and standing again – suitable occasions for this would be changing party allegiance since the election or in the wake of a significant scandal. I admire Davis’ cojones on this but I wouldn’t like to see 20-30 safe seat resignations on this sort of single-issue annually.

I assume you will get behind him? Or is this too much of a partisan site?

Whether tories get in or not, how evil they are doesn’t matter because both parties are utter bollocks. So when it comes down to it, the result has to go in favour of the tories because at least they’re a different evil that, as a government, might be less repulsive with their awfullness.