Comments on: To Win, and To Win Fairly http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Robert Sharp http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11299 Robert Sharp Tue, 27 May 2008 00:49:43 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11299 One can only hope that YouTube and other technologies allow truth and reason to prevail. Indeed, I decided to side with Clinton on this point after watching the entire video (linked above) online. Left to the 'mainstream' I would have probably have bought in to the more hysterical point of view. One can only hope that YouTube and other technologies allow truth and reason to prevail. Indeed, I decided to side with Clinton on this point after watching the entire video (linked above) online. Left to the ‘mainstream’ I would have probably have bought in to the more hysterical point of view.

]]> By: David Semple http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11107 David Semple Sun, 25 May 2008 11:09:53 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11107 The whole charade outcry about what Clinton said just demonstrates the stupefying vacuity of most of the mainstream American media outlets. Even the blogosphere was polluted with the college-level equivalent of "OMG She wants Obama dead!" and frankly if I wanted that sort of pointless knee-jerk reaction, I'd read the Daily Mail. I largely agree with the point made here that winning gracefully is better than just winning, but then is that ever possible in American politics? Whenever the Democrats finally choose their nominee, the Republicans will start hammering away with their attack ads - take a look at You Tube, there's a great selection on different upcoming races. One in particular is a California ad which attacks a candidate for taking money from "West Coast Liberals." I'm inclined to ask, are they worse than East Coast Liberals? Anyway, my point is that no one wins gracefully and I doubt Obama will be the exception once we move beyond Primary season - both sides are always equally as bad at slinging mud and turning everything into bitesize attacks and jingoism. It's not good for politics, it's not good for dialogue and it's not good for the average joe who wants to sit down and try and make a reasoned comparison. But that's what you get when democracy isn't in the hands of the people and is instead regulated by those who benefit from just this type of sloganeering. The whole charade outcry about what Clinton said just demonstrates the stupefying vacuity of most of the mainstream American media outlets. Even the blogosphere was polluted with the college-level equivalent of “OMG She wants Obama dead!” and frankly if I wanted that sort of pointless knee-jerk reaction, I’d read the Daily Mail.

I largely agree with the point made here that winning gracefully is better than just winning, but then is that ever possible in American politics? Whenever the Democrats finally choose their nominee, the Republicans will start hammering away with their attack ads – take a look at You Tube, there’s a great selection on different upcoming races. One in particular is a California ad which attacks a candidate for taking money from “West Coast Liberals.” I’m inclined to ask, are they worse than East Coast Liberals?

Anyway, my point is that no one wins gracefully and I doubt Obama will be the exception once we move beyond Primary season – both sides are always equally as bad at slinging mud and turning everything into bitesize attacks and jingoism. It’s not good for politics, it’s not good for dialogue and it’s not good for the average joe who wants to sit down and try and make a reasoned comparison. But that’s what you get when democracy isn’t in the hands of the people and is instead regulated by those who benefit from just this type of sloganeering.

]]> By: Phil Beesley http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11040 Phil Beesley Sat, 24 May 2008 18:54:57 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11040 It is so close to the end of the Democratic nomination process that most of us have made up our minds about who we like. Can we have a poll for us UK citizens who can't influence the choice: Hillary, Obama or Any One But? It is so close to the end of the Democratic nomination process that most of us have made up our minds about who we like. Can we have a poll for us UK citizens who can’t influence the choice: Hillary, Obama or Any One But?

]]> By: Adam Bienkov http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11014 Adam Bienkov Sat, 24 May 2008 16:24:12 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11014 I'm not so sure that she had such good intentions. Remember she said something very similar about the assassination of JFK in January. I would be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt once but not twice. I think there are very few things that she wouldn't say in order to get in power and in that respect she's only saying what most candidates would be thinking in her circumstances. The difference is that most politicians would have stepped back from the brink. I’m not so sure that she had such good intentions. Remember she said something very similar about the assassination of JFK in January.

I would be willing to give her the benefit of the doubt once but not twice. I think there are very few things that she wouldn’t say in order to get in power and in that respect she’s only saying what most candidates would be thinking in her circumstances. The difference is that most politicians would have stepped back from the brink.

]]> By: Sunny Hundal http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11009 Sunny Hundal Sat, 24 May 2008 15:52:39 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/24/to-win-and-to-win-fairly/#comment-11009 hah! I was just about to post on this too. Aaron emailed me last night with the huff-po link and I thought at first that Kennedy had been assassinated! Heh. Anyway, that side, Clinton really is sinking to some new depths to keep her campaign going. The delegates rumour has been circulating for a while, and to be honest if it were going to happen I would have thought it would have already happened. There were some rumours following Super Tuesday and again after Pennsylvania this was going to happen. If it does happen though, there might be some delegates among those numbers but they're mostly super-delegates. At this point I feel sorry for Obama because he can't sound too arrogant since he's on the cusp, while Clinton can pretty much throw the kitchen sink (and she's trying it) to keep the doubts alive. hah! I was just about to post on this too. Aaron emailed me last night with the huff-po link and I thought at first that Kennedy had been assassinated! Heh.

Anyway, that side, Clinton really is sinking to some new depths to keep her campaign going.

The delegates rumour has been circulating for a while, and to be honest if it were going to happen I would have thought it would have already happened. There were some rumours following Super Tuesday and again after Pennsylvania this was going to happen.

If it does happen though, there might be some delegates among those numbers but they’re mostly super-delegates.

At this point I feel sorry for Obama because he can’t sound too arrogant since he’s on the cusp, while Clinton can pretty much throw the kitchen sink (and she’s trying it) to keep the doubts alive.

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