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	<title>Comments on: The case against Nadine Dorries MP (pt 1)</title>
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		<title>By: JVastlik</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-35910</link>
		<dc:creator>JVastlik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, I actually came upon it on accident. You can actually make money now for good articles. At SayItAloud you can write good articles like you already have, but you can get better exposure and earn some decent money in the process. No matter what you decide I bookmarked your page. You can check out my site by clicking on my name.%d%a%d%aGoodluck and I look forward to your future postings.</description>
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		<title>By: Daftness, Dogma, Delusion and Dorries &#171; Shiraz Socialist</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-22856</link>
		<dc:creator>Daftness, Dogma, Delusion and Dorries &#171; Shiraz Socialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the Commons votes on the bill, notably (amongst others) via a deliciously forensic week-long online crucifixion by Liberal Conspiracy. Eventually she found herself under such sustained attack that she closed off the comments facility [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the Commons votes on the bill, notably (amongst others) via a deliciously forensic week-long online crucifixion by Liberal Conspiracy. Eventually she found herself under such sustained attack that she closed off the comments facility [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dishonesty Dorries Rides [Yet] Again &#124; Ministry of Truth</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-21421</link>
		<dc:creator>Dishonesty Dorries Rides [Yet] Again &#124; Ministry of Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to certain elements of Nadine Dorries&#8217; website, a complaint you can read in full as it was openly published over at Lib Con at the time it was submitted to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to certain elements of Nadine Dorries&#8217; website, a complaint you can read in full as it was openly published over at Lib Con at the time it was submitted to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ministry of Truth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dishonesty Dorries Rides Again</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-14764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ministry of Truth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dishonesty Dorries Rides Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] give a quick recap of the story so far, a short while back, Sunny put forward a formal complaint to the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards in regards to Dorries&#8217; &#8216;blog&#8217; - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] give a quick recap of the story so far, a short while back, Sunny put forward a formal complaint to the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards in regards to Dorries&#8217; &#8216;blog&#8217; &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pickled Politics &#187; Nadine Dorries MP in today&#8217;s Independent&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-14079</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickled Politics &#187; Nadine Dorries MP in today&#8217;s Independent&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hundal, editor of the Liberal Conspiracy blog, complained to the Parliamentary Standards Commission, voicing concerns that Dorries may fund the site with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pickled Politics &#187; Nadine Dorries update</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-13810</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickled Politics &#187; Nadine Dorries update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dorries update by Sunny on 21st June, 2008 at 9:42 pm &#160; &#160;  A few weeks ago we submitted a complaint to the Parliamentary Standards Commission about the Tory MP Nadine Dorries and her using her blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dorries update by Sunny on 21st June, 2008 at 9:42 pm &nbsp; &nbsp;  A few weeks ago we submitted a complaint to the Parliamentary Standards Commission about the Tory MP Nadine Dorries and her using her blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ministry of Truth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exclusive: Dorries to Face Standards Inquiry</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-12583</link>
		<dc:creator>Ministry of Truth &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exclusive: Dorries to Face Standards Inquiry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will receive very shortly, a letter from the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards in regards to another complaint* about her conduct, one that is very much a live issue as it relates to the manner in which she [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will receive very shortly, a letter from the Commissioner for Parliamentary Standards in regards to another complaint* about her conduct, one that is very much a live issue as it relates to the manner in which she [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Purple42</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10737</link>
		<dc:creator>Purple42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t so sure about this campaign at first, however having just watched the Dispatches programme &quot;In God&#039;s Name&quot; and seeing with my own eyes the kind of fundamentalist loonies Dorries associates with I think she deserves all she gets.

(As an aside, I do believe the barrister (and Dorries&#039;s chum)  featured prominently in the programme had quite possibly the most slappable face I have ever seen.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t so sure about this campaign at first, however having just watched the Dispatches programme &#8220;In God&#8217;s Name&#8221; and seeing with my own eyes the kind of fundamentalist loonies Dorries associates with I think she deserves all she gets.</p>
<p>(As an aside, I do believe the barrister (and Dorries&#8217;s chum)  featured prominently in the programme had quite possibly the most slappable face I have ever seen.)</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10300</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still a muppet I see, PT...

This is simple enough for even you to understand.

The complaint references the relevant regulations and provides clear evidence of where and how these have been breached - and you, above anyone, should be aware of precisely what I&#039;m capable of when it comes to tracking down and recording evidence - or do I need remind everyone of exactly what it is you had to say about George Osborne.

Its now in the hands of the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner who, from reading previous reports, will hardly be surprised to see either a complaint of this kind or that it relates to the conduct of Nadine Dorries.

Oh, and this only the beginning... there&#039;s much more entertainment to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still a muppet I see, PT&#8230;</p>
<p>This is simple enough for even you to understand.</p>
<p>The complaint references the relevant regulations and provides clear evidence of where and how these have been breached &#8211; and you, above anyone, should be aware of precisely what I&#8217;m capable of when it comes to tracking down and recording evidence &#8211; or do I need remind everyone of exactly what it is you had to say about George Osborne.</p>
<p>Its now in the hands of the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner who, from reading previous reports, will hardly be surprised to see either a complaint of this kind or that it relates to the conduct of Nadine Dorries.</p>
<p>Oh, and this only the beginning&#8230; there&#8217;s much more entertainment to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10298</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@29 Praguetory

No, she would not be justified in the claim. 

There are clear guidelines about how, when and where contributions to public debate is considered acceptable and good practice, so if and when it is proved that she has contravened them (and therefore also undermined our national institutions) then to make this claim would be a dishonest and false excuse exemplifying why she is unfit for office.

Frankly Ms Dorries is childishly subversive in the pettiness of her behaviour and I would be surprised and depressed if she were able to survive at the forefront of the public arena for much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@29 Praguetory</p>
<p>No, she would not be justified in the claim. </p>
<p>There are clear guidelines about how, when and where contributions to public debate is considered acceptable and good practice, so if and when it is proved that she has contravened them (and therefore also undermined our national institutions) then to make this claim would be a dishonest and false excuse exemplifying why she is unfit for office.</p>
<p>Frankly Ms Dorries is childishly subversive in the pettiness of her behaviour and I would be surprised and depressed if she were able to survive at the forefront of the public arena for much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Feeding The Fish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; That oh so obvious liberal bias!</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10293</link>
		<dc:creator>Feeding The Fish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; That oh so obvious liberal bias!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] time round. It&#8217;s really amazing how every time something like this comes around it&#8217;s the lying opportunists who almost always get seen as the principled ones as opposed to those immoral, shiftless scientists [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] time round. It&#8217;s really amazing how every time something like this comes around it&#8217;s the lying opportunists who almost always get seen as the principled ones as opposed to those immoral, shiftless scientists [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10291</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, she wouldn&#039;t. Blogs are available for free on blogger.com and wordpress.com. My website costs me about US$80 a year. 

Unfortunately, this thread has come down to this side issue rather than addressing the posted criticisms of Ms Dorries and, more particularly, Ms Dorries&#039; own positions.

xD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, she wouldn&#8217;t. Blogs are available for free on blogger.com and wordpress.com. My website costs me about US$80 a year. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this thread has come down to this side issue rather than addressing the posted criticisms of Ms Dorries and, more particularly, Ms Dorries&#8217; own positions.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
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		<title>By: Praguetory</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10290</link>
		<dc:creator>Praguetory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Mrs Dorries will simply claim that we are reactionaries who are trying to muzzle free speech.&#039;

She would be justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Mrs Dorries will simply claim that we are reactionaries who are trying to muzzle free speech.&#8217;</p>
<p>She would be justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Bishop Hill</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10285</link>
		<dc:creator>Bishop Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks to me like she&#039;s guilty as charged, although I can&#039;t see her getting more than a slap on the wrist for this particular misdemeanour. There have been a few other minor scandals with MPs using House of Commons stationery for party political stuff. I don&#039;t think they went anywhere though, other than paying back the costs. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oct/13/uk.houseofcommons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Blunkett&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1194477.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Levitt&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://jonathanwallace.blogspot.com/2007/04/oops-i-did-it-again-labour-mp-in.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Anderson&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me like she&#8217;s guilty as charged, although I can&#8217;t see her getting more than a slap on the wrist for this particular misdemeanour. There have been a few other minor scandals with MPs using House of Commons stationery for party political stuff. I don&#8217;t think they went anywhere though, other than paying back the costs. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/oct/13/uk.houseofcommons" rel="nofollow">David Blunkett</a><br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1194477.stm" rel="nofollow">Tom Levitt</a><br />
<a href="http://jonathanwallace.blogspot.com/2007/04/oops-i-did-it-again-labour-mp-in.html" rel="nofollow">David Anderson</a></p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10284</link>
		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state cannot endorse political campaigns for changes in the law because the state is the enforcer of the law. 

Should the weight of the state be used to intervene in the internal political debates of the nation it&#039;s legitimate right to use force is brought into question and creates a constitutional crisis.

There is a clear and obvious distinction between the two sides of judge and jury, which, should any anomoly become apparent must swiftly be moved against. This is an issue of legitimacy by which Dorries&#039; use of the Portcullis to give credence to her campaign undermines the stature of all other laws.

One could argue that this was the history behind the religious wars of the reformation and earlier, as the principle question asked is about the precedence of legitmate authority.

Dorries&#039; anti-secularism is exactly why there remains lingering suspicion against perceptions of popery in Roman Catholics in this country (the theological similarities with islamist promoters of a single temporal caliphate are striking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state cannot endorse political campaigns for changes in the law because the state is the enforcer of the law. </p>
<p>Should the weight of the state be used to intervene in the internal political debates of the nation it&#8217;s legitimate right to use force is brought into question and creates a constitutional crisis.</p>
<p>There is a clear and obvious distinction between the two sides of judge and jury, which, should any anomoly become apparent must swiftly be moved against. This is an issue of legitimacy by which Dorries&#8217; use of the Portcullis to give credence to her campaign undermines the stature of all other laws.</p>
<p>One could argue that this was the history behind the religious wars of the reformation and earlier, as the principle question asked is about the precedence of legitmate authority.</p>
<p>Dorries&#8217; anti-secularism is exactly why there remains lingering suspicion against perceptions of popery in Roman Catholics in this country (the theological similarities with islamist promoters of a single temporal caliphate are striking).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Unity. Moreover, it not only is but should be; the state cannot give endorsement to campaigns like this, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Unity. Moreover, it not only is but should be; the state cannot give endorsement to campaigns like this, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10266</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

&quot;maybe this is a Very Big Thing within westminster&quot;

Trust me, it is - Parliament is extremely protective of its public image, hence the plethora of regulations covering what MPs can and cannot legitimately do when acting as Parliamentarians as opposed to simply being politicians and members of a political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>&#8220;maybe this is a Very Big Thing within westminster&#8221;</p>
<p>Trust me, it is &#8211; Parliament is extremely protective of its public image, hence the plethora of regulations covering what MPs can and cannot legitimately do when acting as Parliamentarians as opposed to simply being politicians and members of a political party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10265</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unity: I&#039;m under no illusions about Dorries and her campaign. It&#039;s enough for me that every statistic in their 20 reasons is either false or misleading. When you move on to campaigning about abortion itself, I&#039;ll be much more actively on-board.

the Portcullis: if you say so. I don&#039;t believe I&#039;ve ever encountered anybody who would treat something more seriously because it had the Portcullis on it. I can&#039;t imagine it having any practical significance, and as a point of principle - well, it feels like you found a point of principle to have something to beat her with. But I&#039;m not well-informed on the niceties of parliamentary procedure - maybe this is a Very Big Thing within westminster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unity: I&#8217;m under no illusions about Dorries and her campaign. It&#8217;s enough for me that every statistic in their 20 reasons is either false or misleading. When you move on to campaigning about abortion itself, I&#8217;ll be much more actively on-board.</p>
<p>the Portcullis: if you say so. I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve ever encountered anybody who would treat something more seriously because it had the Portcullis on it. I can&#8217;t imagine it having any practical significance, and as a point of principle &#8211; well, it feels like you found a point of principle to have something to beat her with. But I&#8217;m not well-informed on the niceties of parliamentary procedure &#8211; maybe this is a Very Big Thing within westminster.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10264</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LFAT:

&quot;...wouldn’t a Parliamentary Committee have already spotted her misusing her blog seeing as it’s been running for quite a while?&quot;

Not necessarily.

The structure for dealing with breaches of standards in parliament is a tribunal-based system in which investigations are conducted only in response to complaints.

They would only have cause to review the manner in which Dorries funds and operates her website if given cause to do so by a complaint - they are not a proactive regulatory body.

It may, perhaps, be a little surprising that no one has formally complained about her antics before now, although there may be a school of thought amongst Labour/Lib Dem MPs and supporters that she routinely provides such a rich vein of stupidity that its worth leaving her alone in anticipation of having reams of campaign material to mine come the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LFAT:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;wouldn’t a Parliamentary Committee have already spotted her misusing her blog seeing as it’s been running for quite a while?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not necessarily.</p>
<p>The structure for dealing with breaches of standards in parliament is a tribunal-based system in which investigations are conducted only in response to complaints.</p>
<p>They would only have cause to review the manner in which Dorries funds and operates her website if given cause to do so by a complaint &#8211; they are not a proactive regulatory body.</p>
<p>It may, perhaps, be a little surprising that no one has formally complained about her antics before now, although there may be a school of thought amongst Labour/Lib Dem MPs and supporters that she routinely provides such a rich vein of stupidity that its worth leaving her alone in anticipation of having reams of campaign material to mine come the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10262</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

Dave&#039;s correct - the money side is likely to be relatively trivial when compared to, say, Derek Conway buncing his kids through Uni at the taxpayer&#039;s expense.

It&#039;s the use of the Portcullis, which amounts to a claim to the imprimatur of Parliament, that is the more serious issue here...

There is also the question of Nad&#039;s personal integrity and credibility, which will be explored in considerably more detail over the course of the week.

One thing you might find interesting to reflect upon is that if you visit the blog of &#039;Dr Crippen&#039; , who is probably as the top medical blogger in the UK (&#039;John&#039; is a GP although, obviously, &#039;Crippen&#039; is a pseudonym) you&#039;ll find that while he would support a cut in the upper time limit to 20 weeks, he will not be supporting Dorries&#039; campaign out of distaste for her tactics and general lack of verisimilitude.

I&#039;ve personally got a lot of respect for John and even though we disagree over the time limit, I understand and respect his reasons for advocating a reduction to 20 weeks - in no sense could I respect Dorries&#039; views,.

In fact I have more time for the likes of Anne Widdecombe, who is at least honest in her outright opposition to legal abortion, than I do for Dorries, who thinks nothing of trading in lies, smears and misinformation in order to advance her agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>Dave&#8217;s correct &#8211; the money side is likely to be relatively trivial when compared to, say, Derek Conway buncing his kids through Uni at the taxpayer&#8217;s expense.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the use of the Portcullis, which amounts to a claim to the imprimatur of Parliament, that is the more serious issue here&#8230;</p>
<p>There is also the question of Nad&#8217;s personal integrity and credibility, which will be explored in considerably more detail over the course of the week.</p>
<p>One thing you might find interesting to reflect upon is that if you visit the blog of &#8216;Dr Crippen&#8217; , who is probably as the top medical blogger in the UK (&#8217;John&#8217; is a GP although, obviously, &#8216;Crippen&#8217; is a pseudonym) you&#8217;ll find that while he would support a cut in the upper time limit to 20 weeks, he will not be supporting Dorries&#8217; campaign out of distaste for her tactics and general lack of verisimilitude.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve personally got a lot of respect for John and even though we disagree over the time limit, I understand and respect his reasons for advocating a reduction to 20 weeks &#8211; in no sense could I respect Dorries&#8217; views,.</p>
<p>In fact I have more time for the likes of Anne Widdecombe, who is at least honest in her outright opposition to legal abortion, than I do for Dorries, who thinks nothing of trading in lies, smears and misinformation in order to advance her agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/05/12/the-case-against-nadine-dorries-mp/#comment-10261</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Letters from a Tory @ 21 - unusual to see a Tory having such confidence in the state! The answer may be no, and

Dan @ 22 - there needs to be a distinction between the apparatus of state, the machinery of government and attempts to change the former.

Worth remembering that Ms Dorries has been warned about a related issue in the past:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmstnprv/1368/136802.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letters from a Tory @ 21 &#8211; unusual to see a Tory having such confidence in the state! The answer may be no, and</p>
<p>Dan @ 22 &#8211; there needs to be a distinction between the apparatus of state, the machinery of government and attempts to change the former.</p>
<p>Worth remembering that Ms Dorries has been warned about a related issue in the past:<br />
<a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmstnprv/1368/136802.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmstnprv/1368/136802.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, having flicked through a few MPs&#039; sites, I concede she is rare in using a govt-funded website as a platform for ranting. I still think it&#039;s a petty thing to attack her for, but I guess that&#039;s just how politics goes :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, having flicked through a few MPs&#8217; sites, I concede she is rare in using a govt-funded website as a platform for ranting. I still think it&#8217;s a petty thing to attack her for, but I guess that&#8217;s just how politics goes <img src='http://liberalconspiracy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously an MP should be investigated if they have misused public funds, but wouldn&#039;t a Parliamentary Committee have already spotted her misusing her blog seeing as it&#039;s been running for quite a while?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously an MP should be investigated if they have misused public funds, but wouldn&#8217;t a Parliamentary Committee have already spotted her misusing her blog seeing as it&#8217;s been running for quite a while?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan @ 19

Er, no.

The point is not the money, but the principle of using official funds and the Portcullis device to lend weight, whether deliberately or not, to a political campaign.

It&#039;s not just about the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan @ 19</p>
<p>Er, no.</p>
<p>The point is not the money, but the principle of using official funds and the Portcullis device to lend weight, whether deliberately or not, to a political campaign.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unity, Cath:

Either:
a) Blogging is cheap - in which case Dorries&#039; misuse of funds is insignificant
or
b) Blogging is expensive - in this case attacking Dorries is more reasonable, but the chilling effect on other blogging MPs will be more serious.

Maybe she is the only MP &#039;misusing&#039; a publicly-funded blog like this. I&#039;d be surprised, but I&#039;m not about to go hunting for counter-examples.

Anyway, I don&#039;t mean to dump on your campaign. I won&#039;t be cheering it on, but you might technically (if not morally) have a case. And at least you&#039;re doing something (which is more than I am...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unity, Cath:</p>
<p>Either:<br />
a) Blogging is cheap &#8211; in which case Dorries&#8217; misuse of funds is insignificant<br />
or<br />
b) Blogging is expensive &#8211; in this case attacking Dorries is more reasonable, but the chilling effect on other blogging MPs will be more serious.</p>
<p>Maybe she is the only MP &#8216;misusing&#8217; a publicly-funded blog like this. I&#8217;d be surprised, but I&#8217;m not about to go hunting for counter-examples.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t mean to dump on your campaign. I won&#8217;t be cheering it on, but you might technically (if not morally) have a case. And at least you&#8217;re doing something (which is more than I am&#8230;)</p>
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