Comments on: Will Florida change everything? http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/ Left-wing news, opinion and activism Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:53:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Margin4 Error http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4492 Margin4 Error Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:12:11 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4492 Lee A core support may well not be concerned at the events of florida by the time of an election. But there will be a lot of less devoted activists who might be less inclined to pound the streets for a party that snubbed their state. having said that - it may well be close and so backsliding would then be impossible. Lee

A core support may well not be concerned at the events of florida by the time of an election. But there will be a lot of less devoted activists who might be less inclined to pound the streets for a party that snubbed their state.

having said that – it may well be close and so backsliding would then be impossible.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4473 Lee Griffin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:50:28 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4473 9. Polls don't really say anything at the moment, they're all over the place. 10. That's true, but I just have this feeling that it is going to be pretty damn close. Would florida democrats be so petty as to harm their chances of power when they were warned not to move their date in advance? I guess the other question is if it matters so much to backslide if Obama becomes nominee because of his power over african americans and independents. 9. Polls don’t really say anything at the moment, they’re all over the place.

10. That’s true, but I just have this feeling that it is going to be pretty damn close. Would florida democrats be so petty as to harm their chances of power when they were warned not to move their date in advance? I guess the other question is if it matters so much to backslide if Obama becomes nominee because of his power over african americans and independents.

]]> By: Margin4 Error http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4467 Margin4 Error Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:05:29 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4467 Lee If Tuesday indicates a strong lead for one or other there may be little harm in backsliding over Florida. Even a symboloc climb down might help bolster the local democrat machine. Lee

If Tuesday indicates a strong lead for one or other there may be little harm in backsliding over Florida.

Even a symboloc climb down might help bolster the local democrat machine.

]]> By: DonaldS http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4463 DonaldS Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:04:02 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4463 >Clinton definitely. Obama probably. The betting markets don't agree. I'd trust them over polls. >Clinton definitely. Obama probably.

The betting markets don’t agree. I’d trust them over polls.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4462 Lee Griffin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:56:45 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4462 4. I don't think anyone can accurately say for sure until after Tuesday. Clinton and McCain are neck and neck in the polls, and Obama and McCain are frequently swapping the lead. I would argue that until the democrats have a clear winner (or likely winner) on their hands like they do now with McCain, they won't do better than this in the polls, but could actually seeing Clinton or Obama pull out a big lead and a Tuesday overall win mean that opinions start to sway more towards them by the independents (certainly in Obama's case) and therefore push them ahead in the polls over McCain? 4. I don’t think anyone can accurately say for sure until after Tuesday. Clinton and McCain are neck and neck in the polls, and Obama and McCain are frequently swapping the lead.

I would argue that until the democrats have a clear winner (or likely winner) on their hands like they do now with McCain, they won’t do better than this in the polls, but could actually seeing Clinton or Obama pull out a big lead and a Tuesday overall win mean that opinions start to sway more towards them by the independents (certainly in Obama’s case) and therefore push them ahead in the polls over McCain?

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4461 Lee Griffin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:49:16 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4461 6. It's a bit late for backsliding, and should be politically impossible after super tuesday. If it's clear the race is close, or even slightly in Obama's favour, then reversing their decision on these states can only be seen as the party tampering with the result. That won't do them any favours come the real test. 5. Great article, exactly the sort of thing I was talking about. 6. It’s a bit late for backsliding, and should be politically impossible after super tuesday. If it’s clear the race is close, or even slightly in Obama’s favour, then reversing their decision on these states can only be seen as the party tampering with the result. That won’t do them any favours come the real test.

5. Great article, exactly the sort of thing I was talking about.

]]> By: Margin4 Error http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4458 Margin4 Error Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:29:36 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4458 Winning Florida come the election is going to be nigh on impossible for any democrat. They have snubbed the state in the primaries and they face a strong republican movement there with a very popular republican governor. So any little think that Clinton can do to win over a little support and emphasise the importance of the state is perfectly sensible. Its one thing to get petty over internal party organisation – its quite another not to do every sensible thing in the name of eventually winning the presidential election. And if that means giving a victory speech in a state that doesn't matter, so be it. plus - lets not rule out the democrats backsliding and letting representitives of the snubbed states sit. Florida is big and winning it would effectively secure the presidency. Winning Florida come the election is going to be nigh on impossible for any democrat.

They have snubbed the state in the primaries and they face a strong republican movement there with a very popular republican governor.

So any little think that Clinton can do to win over a little support and emphasise the importance of the state is perfectly sensible.

Its one thing to get petty over internal party organisation – its quite another not to do every sensible thing in the name of eventually winning the presidential election.

And if that means giving a victory speech in a state that doesn’t matter, so be it.

plus – lets not rule out the democrats backsliding and letting representitives of the snubbed states sit. Florida is big and winning it would effectively secure the presidency.

]]> By: douglas clark http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4453 douglas clark Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:27:19 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4453 Lee, Had you come across this? It is probably right on the button, but it made my head hurt: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/ It's the article by Charles Lemos, second down Lee,

Had you come across this? It is probably right on the button, but it made my head hurt:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/

It’s the article by Charles Lemos, second down

]]> By: Aaron Heath http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4452 Aaron Heath Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:05:18 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4452 So McCain wins... we all realise he has huge general election appeal, don't we? Can he beat Obama or Clinton? Clinton definitely. Obama probably. So McCain wins… we all realise he has huge general election appeal, don’t we?

Can he beat Obama or Clinton?

Clinton definitely. Obama probably.

]]> By: Sunny Hundal http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4445 Sunny Hundal Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:22:48 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4445 Yeah, she did sound very desperate. And her speech was once again a list rather than anything interesting. She's gonna represent Florida apparently... well not according to the DNC! Older and women voters were over-represented in this race, so she did well. Yeah, she did sound very desperate. And her speech was once again a list rather than anything interesting. She’s gonna represent Florida apparently… well not according to the DNC!

Older and women voters were over-represented in this race, so she did well.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4444 Lee Griffin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:09:24 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4444 Question to think about, does Clinton do better out of the more closed primaries where independents are more limited (or prohibited) from voting? Currently it looks this way but is far too early in the day to really say for sure. Question to think about, does Clinton do better out of the more closed primaries where independents are more limited (or prohibited) from voting? Currently it looks this way but is far too early in the day to really say for sure.

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4443 Lee Griffin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:04:52 +0000 http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2008/01/29/will-florida-change-everything/#comment-4443 It is very sad to hear that Clinton is making a victory speech in a state that doesn't count for them, that's desperation for you. It is very sad to hear that Clinton is making a victory speech in a state that doesn’t count for them, that’s desperation for you.

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